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Post by Shuftin on Jan 8, 2007 2:52:08 GMT -5
Once again, thanks for the reply. You state " If law officers conducted themselves against the will of the people it was for selfish reasons and not at the direction of the Government (Not withstanding prohibition)." What about the enforcement of Jim Crow laws in the south from Reconstruction until the end of the Civil Rights movement? The people and the government both supported these unconstitutional laws. Local police and sheriffs enthusiastically took part in denying civil rights to millions with the support of the people, government and state law. Once again, I believe that the "good old days" weren't always so good. You’re right I stand corrected.You seem to be aghast that at times police officers spend their times doing things other than enforcing laws. Aghast? No. Baffled many times. I picked a random night on patrol from approximately 1 yr ago. Here is how my night went. I checked the security of 8 public buildings (making sure the buildings the taxpayers pay for were not vandalized or burglarized). I made 3 motor vehicle stops (2 verbals and 1 written warning). I backed up a State Police Officer on a motor vehicle stop. I broke up a loud college party (no arrests or summons needed) I responded to a medical aid of an elderly man that had fallen out of bed and cut his arm. I provided medical attention until an ambulance arrived. While not a particulary exciting night (We have those also) I feel like I earned my money and helped a few people while doing it. I enforced a few laws, I helped an elderly veteran and I checked a few buildings. I was respectful to all, friendly to a few and stern to others. I would not have hesitated to arrest the party goers if they had been underage or not dispersed when requested. I certainly wasn't friendly to this elderly man for my own protection or safety. He was a nice old guy who needed my help. His taxes pay for me to help him and I was nice to him because he was nice to me. Some officers state that they also pay taxes so therefore they are either working for free or they are paying themselves to work. I was drinking at a bar six years ago. Instead of driving I decided to stay in the parking lot and sleep it off. County sheriff picked me up and drove me home. He then took my wife back to my car so that she could drive it home. Another time I was stranded on some back country road after my car broke down and a county sheriff drove me home and dropped me off. I have some good experiences with LE. I also remember being given a speeding ticket on a rock gravel road at 1:00 A.M. in the middle of ? cattle country (there was no posted speed limit on this road, a gravel road at that). 25 years ago I got a flat tire. Having no spare I parked the car in the parking lot of an office building and walked ¾ of a mile to a friend’s house and begged him for help. We spent the afternoon drinking beer and playing video games. Eventually we meandered out to get my tire fixed. There was a police officer present at the car and I was given a DUI because “if you are drunk now then you were drunk when you parked the car”, “You have a flat tire and that is considered an accident”, “don’t talk to me because you’re drunk and I don’t talk to drunks” . Your statement that my example of the drunk driver with the headlight out is "pre-crime" is simply not true. The people of the commonwealth have determined that operating under the influence of alcohol is a crime. This person willfully drank alcoholic beverages to excess and willfully got behind the wheel of a motor vehicle. He took active steps to commit this crime (drinking to excess and operating a motor vehicle on a public way). He was lawfully detained for a civil motor vehicle infraction and his crime was discovered by a police officer who was vigilantly doing his/her job. This is not "pre-crime", it is simply crime. In your example, your son has taken no active steps to commit a crime. In my opinion the difference is crystal clear. Under habeas corpus I have the right to face my accusers and refute their allegations of injury. If there is no injured party then there is no crime and no allegations of injury to refute? You may be talking about ordinances and statutes and these are not laws nor crimes. An ordinance is “spitting on the sidewalk, jaywalking, foul language in public, open container, etc. An ordinance can be violated even though it is not a law nor a crime. A statute is usually from the State. Rape is a crime because there is an injured party. Statutory rape has no injured party because the sex was consensual therefore it is not a crime but it is a violation of a statute. Speed limits, seat belts and driving with no insurance are a violation of a statute and DUI is a violation of a statute. Violations of statutes have no injured parties and are not crimes. Therefore the term “pre-crime is indeed true”. Thus a moving violation is not a moving crime. As a Law Enforcement official you are not enforceing laws, you are enforceing Government regulations that the commonwealth or we the people did not ask for.
"Statutes that violate the plain and obvious principles of common right and common reason are null and void." Bennett v. Boggs, 1 Baldw 60,
"The state cannot diminish rights of the people." Hertado v. California, 110 US 516, the U.S Supreme Court
"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. US, 230 F 486, at 489.
I’m not going to bog you down with more of this. Suffice it to say that ignorance of the law is no excuse and is no defense, even for police officrs.p.s. I wear sunglasses when it's sunny and gloves when my hands are cold just like you do. Sounds like you would sit down at a kitchen table and have coffee with me and shake my hand. Many officers won’t do this with us civilians or citizens.
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Post by Shuftin on Jan 8, 2007 2:52:08 GMT -5
Once again, thanks for the reply. You state " If law officers conducted themselves against the will of the people it was for selfish reasons and not at the direction of the Government (Not withstanding prohibition)." What about the enforcement of Jim Crow laws in the south from Reconstruction until the end of the Civil Rights movement? The people and the government both supported these unconstitutional laws. Local police and sheriffs enthusiastically took part in denying civil rights to millions with the support of the people, government and state law. Once again, I believe that the "good old days" weren't always so good. You’re right I stand corrected.You seem to be aghast that at times police officers spend their times doing things other than enforcing laws. Aghast? No. Baffled many times. I picked a random night on patrol from approximately 1 yr ago. Here is how my night went. I checked the security of 8 public buildings (making sure the buildings the taxpayers pay for were not vandalized or burglarized). I made 3 motor vehicle stops (2 verbals and 1 written warning). I backed up a State Police Officer on a motor vehicle stop. I broke up a loud college party (no arrests or summons needed) I responded to a medical aid of an elderly man that had fallen out of bed and cut his arm. I provided medical attention until an ambulance arrived. While not a particulary exciting night (We have those also) I feel like I earned my money and helped a few people while doing it. I enforced a few laws, I helped an elderly veteran and I checked a few buildings. I was respectful to all, friendly to a few and stern to others. I would not have hesitated to arrest the party goers if they had been underage or not dispersed when requested. I certainly wasn't friendly to this elderly man for my own protection or safety. He was a nice old guy who needed my help. His taxes pay for me to help him and I was nice to him because he was nice to me. Some officers state that they also pay taxes so therefore they are either working for free or they are paying themselves to work. I was drinking at a bar six years ago. Instead of driving I decided to stay in the parking lot and sleep it off. County sheriff picked me up and drove me home. He then took my wife back to my car so that she could drive it home. Another time I was stranded on some back country road after my car broke down and a county sheriff drove me home and dropped me off. I have some good experiences with LE. I also remember being given a speeding ticket on a rock gravel road at 1:00 A.M. in the middle of ? cattle country (there was no posted speed limit on this road, a gravel road at that). 25 years ago I got a flat tire. Having no spare I parked the car in the parking lot of an office building and walked ¾ of a mile to a friend’s house and begged him for help. We spent the afternoon drinking beer and playing video games. Eventually we meandered out to get my tire fixed. There was a police officer present at the car and I was given a DUI because “if you are drunk now then you were drunk when you parked the car”, “You have a flat tire and that is considered an accident”, “don’t talk to me because you’re drunk and I don’t talk to drunks” . Your statement that my example of the drunk driver with the headlight out is "pre-crime" is simply not true. The people of the commonwealth have determined that operating under the influence of alcohol is a crime. This person willfully drank alcoholic beverages to excess and willfully got behind the wheel of a motor vehicle. He took active steps to commit this crime (drinking to excess and operating a motor vehicle on a public way). He was lawfully detained for a civil motor vehicle infraction and his crime was discovered by a police officer who was vigilantly doing his/her job. This is not "pre-crime", it is simply crime. In your example, your son has taken no active steps to commit a crime. In my opinion the difference is crystal clear. Under habeas corpus I have the right to face my accusers and refute their allegations of injury. If there is no injured party then there is no crime and no allegations of injury to refute? You may be talking about ordinances and statutes and these are not laws nor crimes. An ordinance is “spitting on the sidewalk, jaywalking, foul language in public, open container, etc. An ordinance can be violated even though it is not a law nor a crime. A statute is usually from the State. Rape is a crime because there is an injured party. Statutory rape has no injured party because the sex was consensual therefore it is not a crime but it is a violation of a statute. Speed limits, seat belts and driving with no insurance are a violation of a statute and DUI is a violation of a statute. Violations of statutes have no injured parties and are not crimes. Therefore the term “pre-crime is indeed true”. Thus a moving violation is not a moving crime. As a Law Enforcement official you are not enforceing laws, you are enforceing Government regulations that the commonwealth or we the people did not ask for.
"Statutes that violate the plain and obvious principles of common right and common reason are null and void." Bennett v. Boggs, 1 Baldw 60,
"The state cannot diminish rights of the people." Hertado v. California, 110 US 516, the U.S Supreme Court
"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. US, 230 F 486, at 489.
I’m not going to bog you down with more of this. Suffice it to say that ignorance of the law is no excuse and is no defense, even for police officrs.p.s. I wear sunglasses when it's sunny and gloves when my hands are cold just like you do. Sounds like you would sit down at a kitchen table and have coffee with me and shake my hand. Many officers won’t do this with us civilians or citizens.
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Post by Shuftin on Jan 6, 2007 13:09:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the response. I appreciate your ideas but think that you views of policing in the past are somewhat idealistic. Idealistic or realistic. Maybe just a splitting of hairs. I know that Wyatt Earp for all the hoop-la also conducted criminal activity as well as many other historical law officers. Then again Allen Pinkerton and Eliot Ness were good guys with the general public good in mind. If law officers conducted themselves against the will of the people it was for selfish reasons and not at the direction of the Government (Not withstanding proabition).In the past many groups (homosexuals, racial and ethnic minorities) were systematically marginalized by government and law enforcement. This still exists but is less prevalent and certainly is more scrutinized. True enough. Law officers today are more under a microscope and are far more scrutinized than in the past. Very little elbow room for Government mandates and officers personal prejudicesI think police officers today are more educated, more diverse and more tolerant than those of the past. Again truth. It is no longer quote/unquote “A White mans world”.Laws are passed by democratically elected Legislators. If the people disagree with the direction of government than they can vote people out of office. I realize that this is a somewhat idealistic view but I believe that it still holds a lot of truth. People are taking less and less responsibility for their own lives. Some suggest that the great propaganda machine has brain washed we the masters into thinking that our slave is our dictator that must be obeyed. I kinda see this but I am more inclined to believe that the American people are just lazy. I see a frog in a pot of cold water coming slowly to a boil. Police officers some times enforce laws. ?? Police officers some times don’t enforce laws.Statistics have shown that only a small portion of an officer's time is spent with criminal enforcement. What better place is there for an officer’s time to be spent?The majority of time is spent on service calls i.e. medical aids, building checks, giving directions and generally assisting the public. Now I will be nasty. Charade! Officers need to maintain some semblance of friendliness and unity with the people for their own protection and safety. There are officers who are not ostracized by the public but instead ostracize themselves from the public. They wear gloves and sunglasses and look over you, under you, around you and thru you instead of at you. The disgust is in their voice when you force them to speak to you. They seem to have an “us against them mentality”. You state that "common" police officers spend their time generating revenue. I assume that you are referring to traffic enforcement. In my state, by law, management cannot force an officer to write a fine for a civil motor vehicle infraction. Writing a ticket or a warning is always left to the officer's discretion. Ticket quotas are also illegal. Infractions are more than simple traffic enforcement, i.e. open container while sitting on a park bench, jay walking, etc. I realize that management cannot force an officer to write citations. Aren’t citations and arrests the “report card” of an officer’s performance? There is a difference between good arrests (convictions) and bad arrests (dismissals). An officer’s report card does not distinguish the difference.You state that there has to be an injured party for a crime to be committed. What about the following? John Jones is driving down the road drunk. He has not had an accident or hurt anyone. I stop Jones for having a headlight out. I see that Jones is drunk and arrest him for Operating under the Influence of Alcohol. There is really no injured party yet. There could be a bus load of children a mile down the street that Jones would have killed if I had not arrested him. This is purely pre-crime. My underage son my go out two weeks from now and get drunk. Should I call the police and have him arrested now with-in the hour for what he may or may not do in the near future?I believe that most police officers are honest and trustworthy. We do a difficult job very well for the most part. When I go to work, I do my best to follow the rules of the Constitution of the United States, the laws of the Commonwealth where I work and my conscience. I'm proud of what I do. I've never felt like a government lackey or oppressor of the people. When I have to take enforcement action, I do so to the fullest extent of the law and make no apologies for that. This is commendable. Of course there hundreds of thousands of police officers who are concerned about society and public safety. The police profession itself as a whole seems [by outwards appearance] to be slowly going down the wrong path.
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Post by Shuftin on Jan 6, 2007 13:09:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the response. I appreciate your ideas but think that you views of policing in the past are somewhat idealistic. Idealistic or realistic. Maybe just a splitting of hairs. I know that Wyatt Earp for all the hoop-la also conducted criminal activity as well as many other historical law officers. Then again Allen Pinkerton and Eliot Ness were good guys with the general public good in mind. If law officers conducted themselves against the will of the people it was for selfish reasons and not at the direction of the Government (Not withstanding proabition).In the past many groups (homosexuals, racial and ethnic minorities) were systematically marginalized by government and law enforcement. This still exists but is less prevalent and certainly is more scrutinized. True enough. Law officers today are more under a microscope and are far more scrutinized than in the past. Very little elbow room for Government mandates and officers personal prejudicesI think police officers today are more educated, more diverse and more tolerant than those of the past. Again truth. It is no longer quote/unquote “A White mans world”.Laws are passed by democratically elected Legislators. If the people disagree with the direction of government than they can vote people out of office. I realize that this is a somewhat idealistic view but I believe that it still holds a lot of truth. People are taking less and less responsibility for their own lives. Some suggest that the great propaganda machine has brain washed we the masters into thinking that our slave is our dictator that must be obeyed. I kinda see this but I am more inclined to believe that the American people are just lazy. I see a frog in a pot of cold water coming slowly to a boil. Police officers some times enforce laws. ?? Police officers some times don’t enforce laws.Statistics have shown that only a small portion of an officer's time is spent with criminal enforcement. What better place is there for an officer’s time to be spent?The majority of time is spent on service calls i.e. medical aids, building checks, giving directions and generally assisting the public. Now I will be nasty. Charade! Officers need to maintain some semblance of friendliness and unity with the people for their own protection and safety. There are officers who are not ostracized by the public but instead ostracize themselves from the public. They wear gloves and sunglasses and look over you, under you, around you and thru you instead of at you. The disgust is in their voice when you force them to speak to you. They seem to have an “us against them mentality”. You state that "common" police officers spend their time generating revenue. I assume that you are referring to traffic enforcement. In my state, by law, management cannot force an officer to write a fine for a civil motor vehicle infraction. Writing a ticket or a warning is always left to the officer's discretion. Ticket quotas are also illegal. Infractions are more than simple traffic enforcement, i.e. open container while sitting on a park bench, jay walking, etc. I realize that management cannot force an officer to write citations. Aren’t citations and arrests the “report card” of an officer’s performance? There is a difference between good arrests (convictions) and bad arrests (dismissals). An officer’s report card does not distinguish the difference.You state that there has to be an injured party for a crime to be committed. What about the following? John Jones is driving down the road drunk. He has not had an accident or hurt anyone. I stop Jones for having a headlight out. I see that Jones is drunk and arrest him for Operating under the Influence of Alcohol. There is really no injured party yet. There could be a bus load of children a mile down the street that Jones would have killed if I had not arrested him. This is purely pre-crime. My underage son my go out two weeks from now and get drunk. Should I call the police and have him arrested now with-in the hour for what he may or may not do in the near future?I believe that most police officers are honest and trustworthy. We do a difficult job very well for the most part. When I go to work, I do my best to follow the rules of the Constitution of the United States, the laws of the Commonwealth where I work and my conscience. I'm proud of what I do. I've never felt like a government lackey or oppressor of the people. When I have to take enforcement action, I do so to the fullest extent of the law and make no apologies for that. This is commendable. Of course there hundreds of thousands of police officers who are concerned about society and public safety. The police profession itself as a whole seems [by outwards appearance] to be slowly going down the wrong path.
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Post by Shuftin on Jan 5, 2007 6:57:39 GMT -5
I believe that America needs police and that they serve a vital role. Of course I am thinking of sheriffs, deputies and constables through the 1700’s and 1800’s and even into the 1950’s. There was a time when police officers actually served the people and protected the people. Yes I know that there has always been bad police officers and corruption through out history and even today. I think the tide turned in the 1960’s. Today police officers serve the Government, protect the Government and are a tool of the Government to be used against the people.
With each new law passed a new criminal is simultaneously created. Innocent law abiding citizen one day and a criminal the next day because a new law was passed. Only the Government passes new laws. Most laws are not for the protection of the people and you have to admit that they are purely revenue based laws and thus against the people. Police officers are no longer CRIME fighters or PEACE officers they are now LAW enforcement. Enforcing Government laws on the people and against the will of the people. This is called oppression. It is a conflict of interest when Judges, prosecuting attorneys and police officers are all on the same payroll from the same source (Government). Basically we have a one sided lynch mob railroading the American people and selling them down the river.
The old mantra about how police officers put their lives on the line every single day. Soldiers put their lives on the line defending our country from enemies. Police officers put their lives on the line defending the Government from enemies. Who is the enemy of the Government and who breaks Government laws? We the people who happen to be an armed citizenry. There is a war out there. Police officers put their lives on the line oppressing a pissed off population. With a small amount of imagination police officers can be construed as traitors of the people.
With para-military SWAT teams becoming the favorite child of the Government the common police officer has been regulated to just a half step above a meter maid. The common police officer is hired simply put for revenues generation and are loosed into society solely to fleece the American people. Police officers say “we’re not here to generate revenue, in fact we don’t get a dime of the revenue”. This is only half true. I pay my employees to generate revenue for me and they don’t see a dime of my income other than their paychecks.
Are police officers CRIME fighters? Ask any attorney and he will tell you this "for there to be a crime there must first be an injured party". If there is nothing lost, nothing stolen, nothing broken and nothing dead then there is no injured party and thus a crime has not been commited. Police officers are LAW enforcement and there are no injured parties when it comes to revenue generation. Are police officers PEACE officers? Not in a war where police officers are soldiers of the Government fighting against the will of the people.
Well there's a start.
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Post by Shuftin on Jan 5, 2007 6:57:39 GMT -5
I believe that America needs police and that they serve a vital role. Of course I am thinking of sheriffs, deputies and constables through the 1700’s and 1800’s and even into the 1950’s. There was a time when police officers actually served the people and protected the people. Yes I know that there has always been bad police officers and corruption through out history and even today. I think the tide turned in the 1960’s. Today police officers serve the Government, protect the Government and are a tool of the Government to be used against the people.
With each new law passed a new criminal is simultaneously created. Innocent law abiding citizen one day and a criminal the next day because a new law was passed. Only the Government passes new laws. Most laws are not for the protection of the people and you have to admit that they are purely revenue based laws and thus against the people. Police officers are no longer CRIME fighters or PEACE officers they are now LAW enforcement. Enforcing Government laws on the people and against the will of the people. This is called oppression. It is a conflict of interest when Judges, prosecuting attorneys and police officers are all on the same payroll from the same source (Government). Basically we have a one sided lynch mob railroading the American people and selling them down the river.
The old mantra about how police officers put their lives on the line every single day. Soldiers put their lives on the line defending our country from enemies. Police officers put their lives on the line defending the Government from enemies. Who is the enemy of the Government and who breaks Government laws? We the people who happen to be an armed citizenry. There is a war out there. Police officers put their lives on the line oppressing a pissed off population. With a small amount of imagination police officers can be construed as traitors of the people.
With para-military SWAT teams becoming the favorite child of the Government the common police officer has been regulated to just a half step above a meter maid. The common police officer is hired simply put for revenues generation and are loosed into society solely to fleece the American people. Police officers say “we’re not here to generate revenue, in fact we don’t get a dime of the revenue”. This is only half true. I pay my employees to generate revenue for me and they don’t see a dime of my income other than their paychecks.
Are police officers CRIME fighters? Ask any attorney and he will tell you this "for there to be a crime there must first be an injured party". If there is nothing lost, nothing stolen, nothing broken and nothing dead then there is no injured party and thus a crime has not been commited. Police officers are LAW enforcement and there are no injured parties when it comes to revenue generation. Are police officers PEACE officers? Not in a war where police officers are soldiers of the Government fighting against the will of the people.
Well there's a start.
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Post by Shuftin on Oct 24, 2006 1:28:58 GMT -5
Hey Watcher, Go Fuck Your mother. Thank you and have a nice day. Are you exercising your freedom of speech? If WaTcHeR were a police officer you’d be in jail right now. Or is this a one way street and police officers are above the law. It is apparent that you loath America. To convict and to incarcerate “We the People” at your masters demand.
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Post by Shuftin on Oct 24, 2006 1:28:58 GMT -5
Hey Watcher, Go Fuck Your mother. Thank you and have a nice day. Are you exercising your freedom of speech? If WaTcHeR were a police officer you’d be in jail right now. Or is this a one way street and police officers are above the law. It is apparent that you loath America. To convict and to incarcerate “We the People” at your masters demand.
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Post by Shuftin on Nov 21, 2006 1:49:50 GMT -5
To date this is one shell I have been unable to crack. I would love any help, direction, or suggestions on this matter. FOLLOW THE MONEYHow much Gun-Jacked revenue does the City, County, State receive from: Speeding Tickets? Seat Belt Violations? (We will save lives [generate revenue] one ticket at a time) The State=Police don’t give a fuck about your life or safety. Driving With No Insurance? Broken Headlights/Taillights? Improper Stops? Reckless Driving? Open Containers? Curfew Violations? I can go on and on with a gantlet of revenue making laws but I won’t. THE PUBLIC ARE PAYING THESE FINESHomeland Insecurity does not now nor has it ever held a candle to this Top-Secret of all Top-Secret information. It is as if this information does not exist or there are no offices that keep records of this revenue. To pursue this information is to place you on the FBI’s ten most wanted list. Walking into a police station to make a complaint is but mere child’s play compared to gathering this "The most Top-Secret of all" information. None-The-Less I am asking help from all who are as interested as I am in this information. This money making racket is making money so how much money is it making? How much revenue are our servants/slaves/Government screwing us out of in revenue based laws? I didn't authorize my servants/slaves/Government to do this unto me!!!!! So how much money are my servants/slaves/Government making off of me utilizing their hired guns against me? I am the very master they fuck over at the point of a gun!!! Inquiring minds what to know!!! What is the City, County, State total financial profit from speeding tickets? Our slave makes it a crime for the master to ask this question. Who is now the master? ??
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Post by Shuftin on Nov 21, 2006 1:49:50 GMT -5
To date this is one shell I have been unable to crack. I would love any help, direction, or suggestions on this matter. FOLLOW THE MONEYHow much Gun-Jacked revenue does the City, County, State receive from: Speeding Tickets? Seat Belt Violations? (We will save lives [generate revenue] one ticket at a time) The State=Police don’t give a fuck about your life or safety. Driving With No Insurance? Broken Headlights/Taillights? Improper Stops? Reckless Driving? Open Containers? Curfew Violations? I can go on and on with a gantlet of revenue making laws but I won’t. THE PUBLIC ARE PAYING THESE FINESHomeland Insecurity does not now nor has it ever held a candle to this Top-Secret of all Top-Secret information. It is as if this information does not exist or there are no offices that keep records of this revenue. To pursue this information is to place you on the FBI’s ten most wanted list. Walking into a police station to make a complaint is but mere child’s play compared to gathering this "The most Top-Secret of all" information. None-The-Less I am asking help from all who are as interested as I am in this information. This money making racket is making money so how much money is it making? How much revenue are our servants/slaves/Government screwing us out of in revenue based laws? I didn't authorize my servants/slaves/Government to do this unto me!!!!! So how much money are my servants/slaves/Government making off of me utilizing their hired guns against me? I am the very master they fuck over at the point of a gun!!! Inquiring minds what to know!!! What is the City, County, State total financial profit from speeding tickets? Our slave makes it a crime for the master to ask this question. Who is now the master? ??
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Post by Shuftin on Sept 6, 2006 15:09:18 GMT -5
A consent to a search does not automatically mean a consent to an anal probing with finger, pencil, or tongue. I agree with the courts ruling. This was not a reasonable search under the circumstances. Police can be sexual deviants in the secret back alleys and closed doors of the police station; butt butt butt butt butt butt butt butt only if they have probable cause. This type of body search is not reasonably expected nor performed on the corner of twelfth street & Vine.
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Post by Shuftin on Sept 6, 2006 15:09:18 GMT -5
A consent to a search does not automatically mean a consent to an anal probing with finger, pencil, or tongue. I agree with the courts ruling. This was not a reasonable search under the circumstances. Police can be sexual deviants in the secret back alleys and closed doors of the police station; butt butt butt butt butt butt butt butt only if they have probable cause. This type of body search is not reasonably expected nor performed on the corner of twelfth street & Vine.
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Post by Shuftin on Aug 7, 2006 22:48:11 GMT -5
This came from a forum at officer.com
Today, 07:37 AM #5 JeffroPoPo Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 230 I've discussed this with guys at my internship before. Classic case that I thought was fishy:
It's 2:00AM. Getting to be that good time to catch em. We're sitting in the parking lot of one of the more popular bars in town, and we patiently wait while a group of drunk people head to their car. Suddenly, they see us and shut the car down before they move it. Get out. Start doing the "oh no, what are we gonna do?"s. One of them gets on their cell phone, we assume to call for a DD or a cab. A minute or so later, we're getting dispatched to a bar on the other side of town for a fight outside where someone has a handgun, so naturally every unit in the city goes balls-to-the-wall to that one. We all get there and NOTHING. No one saw any fight, either. 9-1-1 caller wouldn't leave his name. We get back to original bar and they're gone.
Got us to thinking......
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Post by Shuftin on Aug 7, 2006 22:48:11 GMT -5
This came from a forum at officer.com
Today, 07:37 AM #5 JeffroPoPo Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 230 I've discussed this with guys at my internship before. Classic case that I thought was fishy:
It's 2:00AM. Getting to be that good time to catch em. We're sitting in the parking lot of one of the more popular bars in town, and we patiently wait while a group of drunk people head to their car. Suddenly, they see us and shut the car down before they move it. Get out. Start doing the "oh no, what are we gonna do?"s. One of them gets on their cell phone, we assume to call for a DD or a cab. A minute or so later, we're getting dispatched to a bar on the other side of town for a fight outside where someone has a handgun, so naturally every unit in the city goes balls-to-the-wall to that one. We all get there and NOTHING. No one saw any fight, either. 9-1-1 caller wouldn't leave his name. We get back to original bar and they're gone.
Got us to thinking......
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Post by Shuftin on Aug 11, 2006 12:38:03 GMT -5
It has often been stated that “a physical attack on the body heals quickly”. Sexual, emotional, social, or financial attacks take years to heal, if indeed they do at all, and scars effect a lifetime of personal encounters. LE is hard pressed to remember this. Our Jack-Booted thugs of LE have only one purpose in life and that is “To Serve and to Protect” TO SERVE AND PROTECT the very signers of their paychecks, IE:the Governmen,even if this is against the very will of the American people itself . The American terrorist can be found from within and they have State sanctified guns to threaten “We The People, By The People And For The People". Law Enforcement is intolerant of web sites such as Policecrimes.com Where “We The People” demand our Constitutional Rights. HOW FUCKIN’ DARE WE.?
I say that we “Give our Constitution Of The United States Of America to Iraq. We’re sure as hell are not using it." Let some one else benifit from our lie.
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Post by Shuftin on Aug 11, 2006 12:38:03 GMT -5
It has often been stated that “a physical attack on the body heals quickly”. Sexual, emotional, social, or financial attacks take years to heal, if indeed they do at all, and scars effect a lifetime of personal encounters. LE is hard pressed to remember this. Our Jack-Booted thugs of LE have only one purpose in life and that is “To Serve and to Protect” TO SERVE AND PROTECT the very signers of their paychecks, IE:the Governmen,even if this is against the very will of the American people itself . The American terrorist can be found from within and they have State sanctified guns to threaten “We The People, By The People And For The People". Law Enforcement is intolerant of web sites such as Policecrimes.com Where “We The People” demand our Constitutional Rights. HOW FUCKIN’ DARE WE.?
I say that we “Give our Constitution Of The United States Of America to Iraq. We’re sure as hell are not using it." Let some one else benifit from our lie.
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Post by Shuftin on Jan 10, 2007 16:12:27 GMT -5
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Post by Shuftin on Jan 10, 2007 16:12:27 GMT -5
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Post by Shuftin on Jul 31, 2006 2:54:04 GMT -5
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Post by Shuftin on Jul 31, 2006 2:54:04 GMT -5
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