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Post by WaTcHeR on Nov 4, 2006 12:19:33 GMT -5
11.04.2006 - SAN BERNARDINO - A trial date for Ivory J. Webb Jr., the former sheriff's deputy charged with shooting an unarmed man after a high-speed chase, was set for Jan. 5, 2007. Webb was not in court Friday when San Bernardino County Superior Court Judge Michael A. Smith set the date. Webb is charged with attempted voluntary manslaughter and assault with a firearm in the January shooting of Air Force Senior Airman Elio Carrion. Carrion, who had just returned from a tour in Iraq, was a passenger in a Corvette that fled from deputies. After the car crashed into a wall on Francis Street in Chino, a nearby resident filmed Carrion lying face down as Webb apparently shouted at him to get up. Carrion eventually appears to tell Webb he is getting up, and as the airman pushes himself off the ground, Webb fires three shots, hitting Carrion in the chest, left shoulder and leg. Webb faces more than 18 years in prison if convicted of attempted manslaughter and up to 17 years in prison on the assault charge. www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4599763
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Post by WaTcHeR on Nov 4, 2006 12:19:33 GMT -5
11.04.2006 - SAN BERNARDINO - A trial date for Ivory J. Webb Jr., the former sheriff's deputy charged with shooting an unarmed man after a high-speed chase, was set for Jan. 5, 2007. Webb was not in court Friday when San Bernardino County Superior Court Judge Michael A. Smith set the date. Webb is charged with attempted voluntary manslaughter and assault with a firearm in the January shooting of Air Force Senior Airman Elio Carrion. Carrion, who had just returned from a tour in Iraq, was a passenger in a Corvette that fled from deputies. After the car crashed into a wall on Francis Street in Chino, a nearby resident filmed Carrion lying face down as Webb apparently shouted at him to get up. Carrion eventually appears to tell Webb he is getting up, and as the airman pushes himself off the ground, Webb fires three shots, hitting Carrion in the chest, left shoulder and leg. Webb faces more than 18 years in prison if convicted of attempted manslaughter and up to 17 years in prison on the assault charge. www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4599763
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Post by WaTcHeR on Jul 14, 2006 17:16:38 GMT -5
Tennessee woman's husband also shot by deputy in Chino Claim draws parallels to 1993 wrongful death case07.14.2006 - Anne-Marie Speaker Helmsworth flipped on her television one day in January after getting a troubling phone call from her family in California. The TV news report the Tennessee woman saw was about an Air Force senior airman who had been shot by a San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy in Chino. The story was something Helmsworth could relate to: Her husband had been shot dead by a Chino Hills deputy 13 years earlier. She immediately booked a flight, traveled 2,000 miles across country, and sought out the family of Elio Carrion, the wounded man she had heard about on the news. "I met with them for about two hours one night and just talked about my case, what they were up against and not to stop fighting," she said. The Carrions, who filed a civil claim against San Bernardino County on Wednesday alleging civil rights violations in the Jan. 29 shooting, is in for a long fight, she told them. Helmsworth was in and out of court for eight years in a wrongful death suit she filed against San Bernardino County after her husband, John Speaker, was shot and killed. The case resulted in two mistrials, but eventually the county awarded $3.4 million to Helmsworth, Speaker's parents and the attorneys in the case, she said. Carrion was a passenger in a vehicle whose driver became involved in a high-speed chase that ended in a crash Jan. 29. Carrion, who was on military leave from serving in Iraq, was ordered by sheriff's Deputy Ivory J. Webb Jr. to get up from the ground. When he appeared to be complying with the deputy's request, Webb shot Carrion three times. The incident was captured on videotape by an amateur cameraman. Carrion's attorney, Luis Carrillo, detailed the Speaker case in Carrion's claim because he said it is an example of a case that should have led to improvement in use-of-force training procedures by the Sheriff's Department. He said training changes are needed because police administrators are too often "resistant to change, reluctant to admit their tactics and training are flawed, so they go on as business as usual." The Sheriff's Department has declined to comment on the claim due to the pending criminal case against Webb, who has been charged with attempted voluntary manslaughter. Officials on Thursday also would not discuss whether changes in policies and training have been considered in the past. San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies shot John Speaker, 28, of Chino Hills, on April 4, 1993, when he came out of his house with a hammer and screwdriver and charged the deputies, sheriff's officials said. The man had been taking medications for an illness and was drinking prior to deputies arriving at his home. The Speaker family's claim, however, said Speaker was mentally distraught, and that deputies should have employed medical professionals or skilled negotiators before resorting to excessive force. Helmsworth said her husband was holding a hammer and screwdriver, but didn't charge deputies. He had been suffering from Tourette's syndrome, which she said had been exacerbated by head trauma he received in an earlier car accident. But despite medication a doctor prescribed him, Speaker began experiencing problems the night he was shot. Deputies said he was smashing his belongings and screaming when they came to his home. At one point, he smashed the windows out of his Ford Taurus with a hammer and a barbell. Deputies repeatedly tried to calm the man down, but he wouldn't listen to them, sheriff's officials said. Helmsworth said her settlement is going to help with her children's education, but that isn't enough, she said. She thinks changes in the use-of-force policies and better training may prevent future shootings -- something that also would benefit deputies, because of the lasting trauma they experience after shooting someone, she said. Area law enforcement agencies, including the Fontana and Riverside police departments, have conducted reviews and enacted policy changes in response to officer-involved shootings in the past. Fontana police commissioned a use-of-force and deadly force policy review in 2002 in response to several shootings and in-custody deaths. The department implemented 23 of the 30 recommendations made by the committee. The recommendations included the purchase of additional Taser guns to cover each shift, production of an officer-involved shootings booklet, and using specialized patrols to handle serving warrants to people considered high-risk. "I think what it does is it shows the public we're willing to listen to their concerns," said Fontana police Sgt. William Megenney. "We're here for the public and we want to work hand in hand with them." Following the December 1998 shooting of Tyisha Miller by four Riverside police officers, the city formed a use-of-force panel that provided recommendations to the Police Department. The panel recommended changing the use-of-force policy to address cultural and racial sensitivity, hiring more women and minorities as officers, and increasing diversity training. www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4048603
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Post by WaTcHeR on Jul 14, 2006 17:16:38 GMT -5
Tennessee woman's husband also shot by deputy in Chino Claim draws parallels to 1993 wrongful death case07.14.2006 - Anne-Marie Speaker Helmsworth flipped on her television one day in January after getting a troubling phone call from her family in California. The TV news report the Tennessee woman saw was about an Air Force senior airman who had been shot by a San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy in Chino. The story was something Helmsworth could relate to: Her husband had been shot dead by a Chino Hills deputy 13 years earlier. She immediately booked a flight, traveled 2,000 miles across country, and sought out the family of Elio Carrion, the wounded man she had heard about on the news. "I met with them for about two hours one night and just talked about my case, what they were up against and not to stop fighting," she said. The Carrions, who filed a civil claim against San Bernardino County on Wednesday alleging civil rights violations in the Jan. 29 shooting, is in for a long fight, she told them. Helmsworth was in and out of court for eight years in a wrongful death suit she filed against San Bernardino County after her husband, John Speaker, was shot and killed. The case resulted in two mistrials, but eventually the county awarded $3.4 million to Helmsworth, Speaker's parents and the attorneys in the case, she said. Carrion was a passenger in a vehicle whose driver became involved in a high-speed chase that ended in a crash Jan. 29. Carrion, who was on military leave from serving in Iraq, was ordered by sheriff's Deputy Ivory J. Webb Jr. to get up from the ground. When he appeared to be complying with the deputy's request, Webb shot Carrion three times. The incident was captured on videotape by an amateur cameraman. Carrion's attorney, Luis Carrillo, detailed the Speaker case in Carrion's claim because he said it is an example of a case that should have led to improvement in use-of-force training procedures by the Sheriff's Department. He said training changes are needed because police administrators are too often "resistant to change, reluctant to admit their tactics and training are flawed, so they go on as business as usual." The Sheriff's Department has declined to comment on the claim due to the pending criminal case against Webb, who has been charged with attempted voluntary manslaughter. Officials on Thursday also would not discuss whether changes in policies and training have been considered in the past. San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies shot John Speaker, 28, of Chino Hills, on April 4, 1993, when he came out of his house with a hammer and screwdriver and charged the deputies, sheriff's officials said. The man had been taking medications for an illness and was drinking prior to deputies arriving at his home. The Speaker family's claim, however, said Speaker was mentally distraught, and that deputies should have employed medical professionals or skilled negotiators before resorting to excessive force. Helmsworth said her husband was holding a hammer and screwdriver, but didn't charge deputies. He had been suffering from Tourette's syndrome, which she said had been exacerbated by head trauma he received in an earlier car accident. But despite medication a doctor prescribed him, Speaker began experiencing problems the night he was shot. Deputies said he was smashing his belongings and screaming when they came to his home. At one point, he smashed the windows out of his Ford Taurus with a hammer and a barbell. Deputies repeatedly tried to calm the man down, but he wouldn't listen to them, sheriff's officials said. Helmsworth said her settlement is going to help with her children's education, but that isn't enough, she said. She thinks changes in the use-of-force policies and better training may prevent future shootings -- something that also would benefit deputies, because of the lasting trauma they experience after shooting someone, she said. Area law enforcement agencies, including the Fontana and Riverside police departments, have conducted reviews and enacted policy changes in response to officer-involved shootings in the past. Fontana police commissioned a use-of-force and deadly force policy review in 2002 in response to several shootings and in-custody deaths. The department implemented 23 of the 30 recommendations made by the committee. The recommendations included the purchase of additional Taser guns to cover each shift, production of an officer-involved shootings booklet, and using specialized patrols to handle serving warrants to people considered high-risk. "I think what it does is it shows the public we're willing to listen to their concerns," said Fontana police Sgt. William Megenney. "We're here for the public and we want to work hand in hand with them." Following the December 1998 shooting of Tyisha Miller by four Riverside police officers, the city formed a use-of-force panel that provided recommendations to the Police Department. The panel recommended changing the use-of-force policy to address cultural and racial sensitivity, hiring more women and minorities as officers, and increasing diversity training. www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4048603
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Post by WaTcHeR on May 24, 2006 9:41:25 GMT -5
Hearing for Ex-Deputy in Shooting to Be Aug. 22 May 24, 2006 - The former San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy charged with attempted voluntary manslaughter in the shooting of an Air Force policeman in January will have his preliminary hearing Aug. 22. Superior Court Judge Michael Smith scheduled the hearing at a brief hearing Tuesday. Ivory John Webb Jr. appeared with his attorney and departed without a comment. Webb left the Sheriff's Department last month as a result of his videotaped Jan. 29 shooting, which wounded Senior Airman Elio Carrion in Chino. Webb, who has pleaded not guilty, faces a maximum 18½ years in prison if convicted.
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Post by WaTcHeR on May 24, 2006 9:41:25 GMT -5
Hearing for Ex-Deputy in Shooting to Be Aug. 22 May 24, 2006 - The former San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy charged with attempted voluntary manslaughter in the shooting of an Air Force policeman in January will have his preliminary hearing Aug. 22. Superior Court Judge Michael Smith scheduled the hearing at a brief hearing Tuesday. Ivory John Webb Jr. appeared with his attorney and departed without a comment. Webb left the Sheriff's Department last month as a result of his videotaped Jan. 29 shooting, which wounded Senior Airman Elio Carrion in Chino. Webb, who has pleaded not guilty, faces a maximum 18½ years in prison if convicted.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Apr 22, 2006 14:06:34 GMT -5
04/22/2006 - A sheriff's deputy who shot an unarmed senior airman at the end of a brief high-speed car chase in January no longer works for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, an official said Friday.
Ivory J. Webb Jr., who was assigned to the sheriff's Chino Hills station, ceased to be employed by the department as of April 13, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Beavers said.
"Once the investigation was complete, we were informed that Deputy Webb no longer worked here," she said.
She did not disclose whether he was terminated or he resigned, saying the law prohibits the department from disclosing that information.
Webb shot Air Force policeman Elio Carrion on Jan. 29 after a short high-speed chase in which Carrion was a passenger in a Corvette. Carrion, who lives in Shreveport, La., was in town celebrating with family after returning from duty in Iraq.
An amateur cameraman captured the shooting on tape. The tape appears to show Carrion complying with Webb's orders to get up from the ground when Webb opened fire.
The District Attorney's Office charged Webb with attempted voluntary manslaughter with a special allegation of causing great bodily injury to Carrion. The charges carry a maximum penalty of up to 18 years and six months in prison. Webb is the first San Bernardino County deputy in at least 30 years to be criminally charged in an on-duty shooting.
The FBI, which is investigating the case for possible civil-rights violations, produced an enhanced copy of the videotape that prosecutors reviewed. The enhanced audio and video left no doubt that Webb commanded Carrion to get up from the ground before Webb opened fire on him, prosecutors said. There were no updates to the federal investigation Friday, said FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller.
Luis Fernando Escobedo, the driver accused of leading Webb on the chase before crashing on Francis Street in Chino, faces charges of attempting to evade a peace officer while driving recklessly and driving while under the influence.
He appeared in San Bernardino Superior Court on Friday for a hearing in which Judge Brian McCarville issued a protective order on all documents and evidence related to the case. Escobedo had no comment regarding Webb's status with the Sheriff's Department.
His attorney, Antonio Rodriguez, said Escobedo remains sorry about the events that led to the shooting. Escobedo has apologized to the Carrion family for failing to immediately pull over.
"I have no idea whether (Webb) resigned or was terminated, but like my client, he is under a lot of pressure," Rodriguez said.
Luis Carrillo, the attorney representing the Carrion family, said he had heard about Webb's employment status this week.
"I think that's a benefit to the community, that he will no longer be patrolling with a gun," Carrillo said.
Webb could not be reached for comment Friday. A woman who answered the phone at his parents' Santa Ana home declined to discuss Webb.
Webb's attorney, Michael Schwartz, also declined comment.
Deputy District Attorney Lewis Cope, who is prosecuting Webb, said he had not received confirmation that Webb had left the Sheriff's Department.
"Whether he has or hasn't been separated from the Sheriff's Department, that does not have any bearing in our intention to pursue this case to its appropriate end," he said.
Escobedo is expected to return to court Friday for a separate drunken-driving case in Rancho Cucamonga. A hearing on Webb's case is scheduled for the same day.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Apr 22, 2006 14:06:34 GMT -5
04/22/2006 - A sheriff's deputy who shot an unarmed senior airman at the end of a brief high-speed car chase in January no longer works for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, an official said Friday.
Ivory J. Webb Jr., who was assigned to the sheriff's Chino Hills station, ceased to be employed by the department as of April 13, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Beavers said.
"Once the investigation was complete, we were informed that Deputy Webb no longer worked here," she said.
She did not disclose whether he was terminated or he resigned, saying the law prohibits the department from disclosing that information.
Webb shot Air Force policeman Elio Carrion on Jan. 29 after a short high-speed chase in which Carrion was a passenger in a Corvette. Carrion, who lives in Shreveport, La., was in town celebrating with family after returning from duty in Iraq.
An amateur cameraman captured the shooting on tape. The tape appears to show Carrion complying with Webb's orders to get up from the ground when Webb opened fire.
The District Attorney's Office charged Webb with attempted voluntary manslaughter with a special allegation of causing great bodily injury to Carrion. The charges carry a maximum penalty of up to 18 years and six months in prison. Webb is the first San Bernardino County deputy in at least 30 years to be criminally charged in an on-duty shooting.
The FBI, which is investigating the case for possible civil-rights violations, produced an enhanced copy of the videotape that prosecutors reviewed. The enhanced audio and video left no doubt that Webb commanded Carrion to get up from the ground before Webb opened fire on him, prosecutors said. There were no updates to the federal investigation Friday, said FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller.
Luis Fernando Escobedo, the driver accused of leading Webb on the chase before crashing on Francis Street in Chino, faces charges of attempting to evade a peace officer while driving recklessly and driving while under the influence.
He appeared in San Bernardino Superior Court on Friday for a hearing in which Judge Brian McCarville issued a protective order on all documents and evidence related to the case. Escobedo had no comment regarding Webb's status with the Sheriff's Department.
His attorney, Antonio Rodriguez, said Escobedo remains sorry about the events that led to the shooting. Escobedo has apologized to the Carrion family for failing to immediately pull over.
"I have no idea whether (Webb) resigned or was terminated, but like my client, he is under a lot of pressure," Rodriguez said.
Luis Carrillo, the attorney representing the Carrion family, said he had heard about Webb's employment status this week.
"I think that's a benefit to the community, that he will no longer be patrolling with a gun," Carrillo said.
Webb could not be reached for comment Friday. A woman who answered the phone at his parents' Santa Ana home declined to discuss Webb.
Webb's attorney, Michael Schwartz, also declined comment.
Deputy District Attorney Lewis Cope, who is prosecuting Webb, said he had not received confirmation that Webb had left the Sheriff's Department.
"Whether he has or hasn't been separated from the Sheriff's Department, that does not have any bearing in our intention to pursue this case to its appropriate end," he said.
Escobedo is expected to return to court Friday for a separate drunken-driving case in Rancho Cucamonga. A hearing on Webb's case is scheduled for the same day.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Apr 19, 2006 9:24:13 GMT -5
Sounds like something a cop would be saying doesn't it?
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Post by WaTcHeR on Apr 19, 2006 9:24:13 GMT -5
Sounds like something a cop would be saying doesn't it?
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 16, 2006 11:15:00 GMT -5
03/16/2006 - Luis Carrillo said a video of the Jan. 29 shooting of his client, Elio Carrion, 21, clearly catches Deputy Ivory J. Webb Jr. yelling, after the shooting, that Carrion tried to attack the him before he opened fire. The shooting, which an amateur cameraman captured on videotape, came after a high-speed car chase. The grainy footage appears to show Carrion, the passenger in the car, complying with Webb's commands to get up just before the deputy shot him three times.
Television broadcasts of the video, which are of poor quality, don't appear to back the claim that Carrion made any threatening moves toward the deputy. It also is difficult to hear any verbal exchanges after the shooting.
The San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office last week charged Webb with attempted voluntary manslaughter. Webb faces more than 18 years in prison if convicted of the charge and the enhancements of using a gun and causing great bodily injury to Carrion.
"When you look at the video and listen closely, you already know he is starting to set up his false version," Carrillo said Wednesday. "When (Webb) first talked to the officers, he was under the impression there was no contrary evidence that would discredit him."
Statements to San Bernardino County investigators bolster the accusations made by Carrillo and the man who took the video, Jose Luis Valdes. Both said they heard similar comments from Webb.
Webb's attorney, Michael Schwartz, did not return repeated calls for comment.
The deputy told a Chino police officer who arrived on the scene and later a sheriff's sergeant that Carrion had "charged him," according to information in a report published by the Los Angeles Times.
The nearly 400-page confidential sheriff's report, which the Times obtained, indicates that despite Webb's early statements, the deputy later said he shot Carrion because he believed the airman was going for a gun.
"I'm not surprised about the conflicting statements," Carrillo said Wednesday. "This shows that Webb should have been charged with attempted murder and giving false statements."
The attorney said the sheriff's department and FBI are in possession of an unedited version of the videotape.
Carrillo said he viewed the unedited version of the tape and added that Webb yelled expletives numerous times at Carrion after he was shot. Webb demanded that Carrion not move five times and then twice yelled more expletives at Carrion after the shooting, he said.
The last words Webb yelled were a warning to the injured Carrion not to attack him, Carrillo said.
The District Attorney's Office declined to comment on the accusations and also said despite the Times publishing excerpts from the report, it would not be released. The sheriff's department official called the document an investigative report and not a public document.
Four days had passed by the time Webb was interviewed by detectives, and he had already seen the video before meeting with investigators, the published account states. During a lengthy interview, Webb broke down, saying that he believed he was in danger.
"I'm dead," Webb said he was thinking at the time, according to the report. "I'm not going to see my baby, I'm not going to see my wife. I'm not going to see my dad."
According to the Times, it was unclear if detectives challenged Webb's contradictory statements.
Webb said when the Corvette stopped, Carrion emerged from the vehicle looking like he was trying to find an escape route. The deputy also was trying to keep an eye on the driver, Luis Fernando Escobedo, when the shooting occurred, according to the report.
Wednesday, Valdes said when the officers arrived at the scene, he invited officers to view the tape in his home.
Valdes said Webb had already been taken away from the scene by other officers. Investigators came into his home some stood behind his couch and others sat as the video played.
All the officers sat in silence until the moment Webb shot Carrion. At that point Valdes said "they all gasped."
"I don't know what the officer was thinking when he did that to Carrion," Valdes said. "From the beginning, I've been telling people that what I saw that night wasn't what (Webb) said happened. If I didn't videotape it, Webb would've been free and Carrion would be sitting in jail."
Carrillo on Wednesday said he agreed with Valdes that without the video, everything would have played out differently.
"It highlights that the custom and practice of police covering up misconduct and excessive force is alive and well in San Bernardino County," he said.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 16, 2006 11:15:00 GMT -5
03/16/2006 - Luis Carrillo said a video of the Jan. 29 shooting of his client, Elio Carrion, 21, clearly catches Deputy Ivory J. Webb Jr. yelling, after the shooting, that Carrion tried to attack the him before he opened fire. The shooting, which an amateur cameraman captured on videotape, came after a high-speed car chase. The grainy footage appears to show Carrion, the passenger in the car, complying with Webb's commands to get up just before the deputy shot him three times.
Television broadcasts of the video, which are of poor quality, don't appear to back the claim that Carrion made any threatening moves toward the deputy. It also is difficult to hear any verbal exchanges after the shooting.
The San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office last week charged Webb with attempted voluntary manslaughter. Webb faces more than 18 years in prison if convicted of the charge and the enhancements of using a gun and causing great bodily injury to Carrion.
"When you look at the video and listen closely, you already know he is starting to set up his false version," Carrillo said Wednesday. "When (Webb) first talked to the officers, he was under the impression there was no contrary evidence that would discredit him."
Statements to San Bernardino County investigators bolster the accusations made by Carrillo and the man who took the video, Jose Luis Valdes. Both said they heard similar comments from Webb.
Webb's attorney, Michael Schwartz, did not return repeated calls for comment.
The deputy told a Chino police officer who arrived on the scene and later a sheriff's sergeant that Carrion had "charged him," according to information in a report published by the Los Angeles Times.
The nearly 400-page confidential sheriff's report, which the Times obtained, indicates that despite Webb's early statements, the deputy later said he shot Carrion because he believed the airman was going for a gun.
"I'm not surprised about the conflicting statements," Carrillo said Wednesday. "This shows that Webb should have been charged with attempted murder and giving false statements."
The attorney said the sheriff's department and FBI are in possession of an unedited version of the videotape.
Carrillo said he viewed the unedited version of the tape and added that Webb yelled expletives numerous times at Carrion after he was shot. Webb demanded that Carrion not move five times and then twice yelled more expletives at Carrion after the shooting, he said.
The last words Webb yelled were a warning to the injured Carrion not to attack him, Carrillo said.
The District Attorney's Office declined to comment on the accusations and also said despite the Times publishing excerpts from the report, it would not be released. The sheriff's department official called the document an investigative report and not a public document.
Four days had passed by the time Webb was interviewed by detectives, and he had already seen the video before meeting with investigators, the published account states. During a lengthy interview, Webb broke down, saying that he believed he was in danger.
"I'm dead," Webb said he was thinking at the time, according to the report. "I'm not going to see my baby, I'm not going to see my wife. I'm not going to see my dad."
According to the Times, it was unclear if detectives challenged Webb's contradictory statements.
Webb said when the Corvette stopped, Carrion emerged from the vehicle looking like he was trying to find an escape route. The deputy also was trying to keep an eye on the driver, Luis Fernando Escobedo, when the shooting occurred, according to the report.
Wednesday, Valdes said when the officers arrived at the scene, he invited officers to view the tape in his home.
Valdes said Webb had already been taken away from the scene by other officers. Investigators came into his home some stood behind his couch and others sat as the video played.
All the officers sat in silence until the moment Webb shot Carrion. At that point Valdes said "they all gasped."
"I don't know what the officer was thinking when he did that to Carrion," Valdes said. "From the beginning, I've been telling people that what I saw that night wasn't what (Webb) said happened. If I didn't videotape it, Webb would've been free and Carrion would be sitting in jail."
Carrillo on Wednesday said he agreed with Valdes that without the video, everything would have played out differently.
"It highlights that the custom and practice of police covering up misconduct and excessive force is alive and well in San Bernardino County," he said.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 10, 2006 13:35:47 GMT -5
why was this not attempted murder. you reckless fire a weapon any where their is a law enforcement officer your charged w/attempted murder.he shot this man 3 times .far as i am concerned da only filed charges because of public opion not for welfare of the people.how many times has this happened and been covered up. 03/10/2006 - The San Bernardino, Calif., district attorney was right to charge Deputy Ivory John Webb Jr. this week for shooting an unarmed military airman in January after a brief car chase in Chino, Calif. The case provoked outrage nationwide after a neighbor caught the horrific event on videotape. In the grainy home video, we see Airman Elio Carrion lying on the ground. Deputy Webb orders him to get up, and as soon as Mr. Carrion gets up, the deputy shoots him three times. Mr. Carrion is recovering at a hospital, but it will be a long time before the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department recovers its reputation. It is disturbing that the sheriff continues to defend the deputy. The district attorney has charging Deputy Webb with attempted voluntary manslaughter, arguing that attempted murder would be too difficult to prove, since such a conviction would require the finding of malice. But the D.A. does believe the deputy tried to kill Mr. Carrion. Mr. Carrion’s attorney expressed disappointment that the charges aren’t tougher: "When Webb moved his body to get a better angle, so he could shoot at Elio’s upper body — his heart — that’s attempted murder."Justice still may be a long way off, given the reluctance of juries to convict police officers. Nevertheless, the prosecution is a good sign that, at least in especially grievous cases, some sort of checks and balances is in force. According to the Los Angeles Times, San Bernardino County deputies have been involved in 131 shootings or in-custody deaths in the past six years, yet this is the first time that the district attorney has filed charges against a police officer for an on-duty shooting.Yes, police have dangerous jobs, but they shouldn’t be given a free pass when they act mistakenly or maliciously. Had it not been for the neighbor’s videotape of the Carrion shooting, there’s every chance that there would have been no community outrage and only a pro forma investigation and, consequently, no prosecution.By the way, newspapers report that the videotaping neighbor was arrested on an outstanding warrant and extradited to Florida. Fair question: Is that an attempt to intimidate residents into not videotaping police activities? Few things are more corrosive of civil society than rogue or abusive police officers. Yet such behavior will flourish if prosecutors and juries are unwilling to punish wrongdoing. The charges filed against Deputy Webb are a healthy sign, but the public needs to demand more accountability from those who are granted police powers.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 10, 2006 13:35:47 GMT -5
why was this not attempted murder. you reckless fire a weapon any where their is a law enforcement officer your charged w/attempted murder.he shot this man 3 times .far as i am concerned da only filed charges because of public opion not for welfare of the people.how many times has this happened and been covered up. 03/10/2006 - The San Bernardino, Calif., district attorney was right to charge Deputy Ivory John Webb Jr. this week for shooting an unarmed military airman in January after a brief car chase in Chino, Calif. The case provoked outrage nationwide after a neighbor caught the horrific event on videotape. In the grainy home video, we see Airman Elio Carrion lying on the ground. Deputy Webb orders him to get up, and as soon as Mr. Carrion gets up, the deputy shoots him three times. Mr. Carrion is recovering at a hospital, but it will be a long time before the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department recovers its reputation. It is disturbing that the sheriff continues to defend the deputy. The district attorney has charging Deputy Webb with attempted voluntary manslaughter, arguing that attempted murder would be too difficult to prove, since such a conviction would require the finding of malice. But the D.A. does believe the deputy tried to kill Mr. Carrion. Mr. Carrion’s attorney expressed disappointment that the charges aren’t tougher: "When Webb moved his body to get a better angle, so he could shoot at Elio’s upper body — his heart — that’s attempted murder."Justice still may be a long way off, given the reluctance of juries to convict police officers. Nevertheless, the prosecution is a good sign that, at least in especially grievous cases, some sort of checks and balances is in force. According to the Los Angeles Times, San Bernardino County deputies have been involved in 131 shootings or in-custody deaths in the past six years, yet this is the first time that the district attorney has filed charges against a police officer for an on-duty shooting.Yes, police have dangerous jobs, but they shouldn’t be given a free pass when they act mistakenly or maliciously. Had it not been for the neighbor’s videotape of the Carrion shooting, there’s every chance that there would have been no community outrage and only a pro forma investigation and, consequently, no prosecution.By the way, newspapers report that the videotaping neighbor was arrested on an outstanding warrant and extradited to Florida. Fair question: Is that an attempt to intimidate residents into not videotaping police activities? Few things are more corrosive of civil society than rogue or abusive police officers. Yet such behavior will flourish if prosecutors and juries are unwilling to punish wrongdoing. The charges filed against Deputy Webb are a healthy sign, but the public needs to demand more accountability from those who are granted police powers.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 9, 2006 12:30:19 GMT -5
Simon says get down, Simon says get up. Screw this game, Simon's going to shoot your ass now! I don't wanna play Simon says with any cop! Cops don't play fair!
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 9, 2006 12:30:19 GMT -5
Simon says get down, Simon says get up. Screw this game, Simon's going to shoot your ass now! I don't wanna play Simon says with any cop! Cops don't play fair!
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 8, 2006 19:00:56 GMT -5
One thing that is now being looked at is the fact that there was another officer present. It is possible that the command to get up came from him. Ivory (officer Webb) had his attention on the driver. When the passenger attempted to get up, it startled Officer Webb. It will all come out during the trial. In the meantime, why the rush to judgement? This is not a bad officer...just a startled one who was involved in a bad shooting. Oh, just because a person was charged makes him guilty...right. I thought that was what trials were for. Would you know what article it states there was another officer at the scene? I don't think there was, until after the shooting. I could be wrong. What you might have heard or read, was that there was speculation that possibly the "driver" might had been talking or telling the victim what to do and that this could have confused the victim to stand up. Yet apparently after the FBI deciphered the audio, this was NOT the case.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 8, 2006 19:00:56 GMT -5
One thing that is now being looked at is the fact that there was another officer present. It is possible that the command to get up came from him. Ivory (officer Webb) had his attention on the driver. When the passenger attempted to get up, it startled Officer Webb. It will all come out during the trial. In the meantime, why the rush to judgement? This is not a bad officer...just a startled one who was involved in a bad shooting. Oh, just because a person was charged makes him guilty...right. I thought that was what trials were for. Would you know what article it states there was another officer at the scene? I don't think there was, until after the shooting. I could be wrong. What you might have heard or read, was that there was speculation that possibly the "driver" might had been talking or telling the victim what to do and that this could have confused the victim to stand up. Yet apparently after the FBI deciphered the audio, this was NOT the case.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 8, 2006 17:50:50 GMT -5
One person called Officer web a street thug with a gun. I went to High School with Ivory. He was then and is not now a thug. It was a bad shooting, according to the video. If Officer Web said get up, he's in trouble. But is it possible that he said, don't get up. That seems more likely. Officer Web and his father, ex Police Chief Webb are good people. Ivory should have waited for back up. There were no exigent circumstances requiring him to make the arrest solo. Ivory is guilty of not following proper procedures and then panicking. Even the D.A. said that it was obvious that Ivory was afraid. In High School, Ivory never had a fight...never said a cross word to any one. He was a star wide receiver both at Carson High and Iowa, playing in the Rose Bowl. At that time his father was a Captain. He never acted haughty or arrogant. He is good people. He made a mistake. He may do some time, although I hope he get probation. Leave the man alone. I'm glad you remember something about deputy Webb. "An attorney who has handled police misconduct cases since 1984, said out of the hundreds of depositions he's taken over the years, the one Webb gave him stuck out. He said the man had difficulty answering simple questions about his background and hire date." You said people make mistakes all the time and shoot people, right? A cop shooting a person after commanding him to get up is no big deal, right? B.S.! Besides the FED's must have felt there was enough evidence from the video, to recommend charges be filed on deputy Webb. It still amazes me that Chino, California doesn't have the money to equip their patrol cars with camcorders. The audio and picture would have been much better I'm sure. Does anyone know if the deputies in Chino have camcorders in their patrol cars? If they do, why wasn't deputy Webb's cam activated during a felony pursuit?
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 8, 2006 17:50:50 GMT -5
One person called Officer web a street thug with a gun. I went to High School with Ivory. He was then and is not now a thug. It was a bad shooting, according to the video. If Officer Web said get up, he's in trouble. But is it possible that he said, don't get up. That seems more likely. Officer Web and his father, ex Police Chief Webb are good people. Ivory should have waited for back up. There were no exigent circumstances requiring him to make the arrest solo. Ivory is guilty of not following proper procedures and then panicking. Even the D.A. said that it was obvious that Ivory was afraid. In High School, Ivory never had a fight...never said a cross word to any one. He was a star wide receiver both at Carson High and Iowa, playing in the Rose Bowl. At that time his father was a Captain. He never acted haughty or arrogant. He is good people. He made a mistake. He may do some time, although I hope he get probation. Leave the man alone. I'm glad you remember something about deputy Webb. "An attorney who has handled police misconduct cases since 1984, said out of the hundreds of depositions he's taken over the years, the one Webb gave him stuck out. He said the man had difficulty answering simple questions about his background and hire date." You said people make mistakes all the time and shoot people, right? A cop shooting a person after commanding him to get up is no big deal, right? B.S.! Besides the FED's must have felt there was enough evidence from the video, to recommend charges be filed on deputy Webb. It still amazes me that Chino, California doesn't have the money to equip their patrol cars with camcorders. The audio and picture would have been much better I'm sure. Does anyone know if the deputies in Chino have camcorders in their patrol cars? If they do, why wasn't deputy Webb's cam activated during a felony pursuit?
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