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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 8, 2006 13:47:23 GMT -5
My thoughts and prayers are with the family of Deputy Webb. Police Officers are called upon daily to protect and serve. Is it possible that Deputy Webb told the guy to "shut up"? My husband is also a Police Officer and I can imagine what Mrs. Webb and her entire family are going through right now. I will pray and offer my support to this family. I am sorry that the guy was shot, but lets think about it, why were they running from the police in the first place? If he is the "hero" that he wants to be hailed as, why was he driving in the car with someone who was drunk. Can we at least give this Deputy the benefit of the doubt? I wonder if charges would have been filed had he been a white Deputy. May God help us all if this man spends one moment in jail. The criminals have rights, what about Deputy Webb? My heartfelt prayers and thoughts are with his family tonight and until this Deputy is cleared of all charges. Can we at least give this innocent person who complied with the deputies commands the benefit of the doubt? He broke no laws, he complied with the officers commands and was shot! "I wonder if charges would have been filed had he been a white Deputy." What difference does the color of the skin of a man make? Are you saying that if the deputy was white and shot a black man or Spanish man, that there would be no charges? Yeah you're probably right on that statement! What about deputy Webb and his rights? Police officers have far more rights and powers than any citizen does. Why do you think he hasn't been arrested yet? Lets hope and pray this scum is sent to prison for a long time. If not maybe "Paulette" would be proud to have this deputy move to and live in her neighborhood? Maybe she will not worry too much when deputy Webb pulls her own children over at night?
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 8, 2006 14:27:17 GMT -5
The moment he pulled that trigger he joined the "criminals." Driving drunk with someone and evading arrest both have consequences. But not judgement from an idiotic cop who prefers to shoot first than evaluate the situation. I am an Iraq veteran (infantry). We are only "heroes" when there is a conflict. That cop is "hero" to everyone, at any given time. There is fear when you are holding a gun and pointing it at someone who means you harm. But from somebody who already subdued an unarmed individual? Pray well. Iraq vets who have enough blood on their hands would not think twice to rid "Officer" Webb the ability to do more harm, vets or non-vets. I agree there is alot of serviceman in the Air force keeping an eye on this story. It's been less than 12 hours since the news broke about the deputy being charged and this site is getting alot of "visitors" from U.S. Air force Bases all around the world. Here's a few Air force bases to visit in just the last hour: Shaw A F B - South Carolina Afghanistan Army Military - U.S. Base Andrews Air Force Base - Maryland Barksdale.Air force - Louisiana
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Post by USA MP on Mar 8, 2006 16:13:03 GMT -5
Just something to think about . From the picture it looks like a Black officer shot a hispanic airman...dont you think there would be more outrage if the officer was white
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Post by Kenneth on Mar 8, 2006 16:58:59 GMT -5
One person called Officer web a street thug with a gun. I went to High School with Ivory. He was then and is not now a thug. It was a bad shooting, according to the video. If Officer Web said get up, he's in trouble. But is it possible that he said, don't get up. That seems more likely.
Officer Web and his father, ex Police Chief Webb are good people. Ivory should have waited for back up. There were no exigent circumstances requiring him to make the arrest solo. Ivory is guilty of not following proper procedures and then panicking. Even the D.A. said that it was obvious that Ivory was afraid.
In High School, Ivory never had a fight...never said a cross word to any one. He was a star wide receiver both at Carson High and Iowa, playing in the Rose Bowl. At that time his father was a Captain. He never acted haughty or arrogant. He is good people.
He made a mistake. He may do some time, although I hope he get probation. Leave the man alone.
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Post by Your Daddy on Mar 8, 2006 17:41:12 GMT -5
The moment he pulled that trigger he joined the "criminals." Driving drunk with someone and evading arrest both have consequences. But not judgement from an idiotic cop who prefers to shoot first than evaluate the situation. I am an Iraq veteran (infantry). We are only "heroes" when there is a conflict. That cop is "hero" to everyone, at any given time. There is fear when you are holding a gun and pointing it at someone who means you harm. But from somebody who already subdued an unarmed individual? Pray well. Iraq vets who have enough blood on their hands would not think twice to rid "Officer" Webb the ability to do more harm, vets or non-vets. I agree there is alot of serviceman in the Air force keeping an eye on this story. It's been less than 12 hours since the news broke about the deputy being charged and this site is getting alot of "visitors" from U.S. Air force Bases all around the world. Here's a few Air force bases to visit in just the last hour: Shaw A F B - South Carolina Afghanistan Army Military - U.S. Base Andrews Air Force Base - Maryland Barksdale.Air force - Louisiana You are basically an idiot. You do not know this man from Adam. What if the cameras were on you in Afghanistan or Iraq? How many innocents did you kill? This man made a mistake as I am sure that many of your buddies have made. You guys killed an NFL star, lied to his family, covered up. Well somebody did. They too probably panicked. It's not justfiable. neither are officer Webbs. However, we now know that his partner who was not in the picture was the one who said get up. Officer Webb had told the Airman to stay down. So, when the Airman got up, officer Webb reacted...overreacted yes, but the man's hands disappeared for a second and so Officer Webb, fearing for his life fired.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 8, 2006 17:50:50 GMT -5
One person called Officer web a street thug with a gun. I went to High School with Ivory. He was then and is not now a thug. It was a bad shooting, according to the video. If Officer Web said get up, he's in trouble. But is it possible that he said, don't get up. That seems more likely. Officer Web and his father, ex Police Chief Webb are good people. Ivory should have waited for back up. There were no exigent circumstances requiring him to make the arrest solo. Ivory is guilty of not following proper procedures and then panicking. Even the D.A. said that it was obvious that Ivory was afraid. In High School, Ivory never had a fight...never said a cross word to any one. He was a star wide receiver both at Carson High and Iowa, playing in the Rose Bowl. At that time his father was a Captain. He never acted haughty or arrogant. He is good people. He made a mistake. He may do some time, although I hope he get probation. Leave the man alone. I'm glad you remember something about deputy Webb. "An attorney who has handled police misconduct cases since 1984, said out of the hundreds of depositions he's taken over the years, the one Webb gave him stuck out. He said the man had difficulty answering simple questions about his background and hire date." You said people make mistakes all the time and shoot people, right? A cop shooting a person after commanding him to get up is no big deal, right? B.S.! Besides the FED's must have felt there was enough evidence from the video, to recommend charges be filed on deputy Webb. It still amazes me that Chino, California doesn't have the money to equip their patrol cars with camcorders. The audio and picture would have been much better I'm sure. Does anyone know if the deputies in Chino have camcorders in their patrol cars? If they do, why wasn't deputy Webb's cam activated during a felony pursuit?
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Post by Kenneth on Mar 8, 2006 18:44:34 GMT -5
One thing that is now being looked at is the fact that there was another officer present.
It is possible that the command to get up came from him. Ivory (officer Webb) had his attention on the driver. When the passenger attempted to get up, it startled Officer Webb. It will all come out during the trial.
In the meantime, why the rush to judgement? This is not a bad officer...just a startled one who was involved in a bad shooting. Oh, just because a person was charged makes him guilty...right. I thought that was what trials were for.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 8, 2006 19:00:56 GMT -5
One thing that is now being looked at is the fact that there was another officer present. It is possible that the command to get up came from him. Ivory (officer Webb) had his attention on the driver. When the passenger attempted to get up, it startled Officer Webb. It will all come out during the trial. In the meantime, why the rush to judgement? This is not a bad officer...just a startled one who was involved in a bad shooting. Oh, just because a person was charged makes him guilty...right. I thought that was what trials were for. Would you know what article it states there was another officer at the scene? I don't think there was, until after the shooting. I could be wrong. What you might have heard or read, was that there was speculation that possibly the "driver" might had been talking or telling the victim what to do and that this could have confused the victim to stand up. Yet apparently after the FBI deciphered the audio, this was NOT the case.
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Post by Kenneth on Mar 8, 2006 19:29:34 GMT -5
No, I am sorry. I was off work today, and I just sat down and read everything that I could. It is kind of a blurr. I really respect your position. If I didn't know Ivory I would probably dido everything you are saying. But he is a good guy. Everyone that knows him will tell you that he has always been a quite, respecful, kind individual. He just "F'd" up. It was a bad shooting. The guy was unarmed period. Here are some comments from his ex-coach and other high school and college teammates: Ivory Webb, the former Iowa receiver who started in the 1982 Rose Bowl, is described by a former high school teammate as "one of the straightest guys I've ever known ... a good kid who listened to his dad."[/glow] Hayden Fry, who coached the Hawkeyes from 1978 to 1998 and was Webb’s coach in the 1982 Rose Bowl, said the shooting didn’t fit in with how he remembered his former player. ‘‘While he was on our football team he was an outstanding team player, he was a part of the family and I have nothing but nice things to say about Ivory,’’ Fry said from his Mesquite, Nev., home last night. Although he’d lost track of Webb over the years, Fry said he was concerned about the future for his former player. ‘‘I certainly hope everything goes well for him,’’ he said. Bruce Kittle, a chaplain who works in Cedar Rapids for the 6th Judicial District Department of Correctional Services, was an offensive lineman on that 1981 Iowa team. He recalled Webb as ‘‘a soft-spoken guy.’’ ‘‘He was quiet and took care of business,’’ Kittle said. ‘‘He was never out causing trouble. I have nothing but good things to say about him, really. He was very much the student-athlete.’’ Bad cop (not dirty...just scared) but a good person. He may go to jail...but please don't brand him as a rogue, thug...because that is not who he is. He should never have gone into Law Enforcement. In High School, he was like the kid with a silver spoon, because his dad was a Captain and made more money than a lot of our parents. He had everything going for him, talent, personality and money. You would thing people would be jealous or he would be arrogant. But he wasn't and no one was. Everyone like him because he was fair. Always willing to listen and help. There is a man behind the badge.
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Post by The equilizer on Mar 8, 2006 19:45:44 GMT -5
Oh no! deputy Webb got busted shooting an unarmed man. I guess the guys he busted in jail get to rape him like the dog he is. he will also be put away long enough for his wife to find someone else in her life, while his kids (lil mookie) call someone else DAD! I hope commits suicide.
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Post by Your Daddy on Mar 8, 2006 20:52:33 GMT -5
What the hell is wrong with you? You are a freakin idiot.
You hope that he commits suicide. That's just dumb. You need Jesus...that's what you need!!!!!!!!
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Post by KC on Mar 8, 2006 21:47:23 GMT -5
03/08/2006 - Deputy Webb shot Mr. Carrion and intended to kill him," said Dist. Atty. Michael A. Ramos. "This is a very difficult decision for us. But when the FACTS say a crime has been committed, it is our duty to file charges. We will let the community decide if it's a crime." If convicted, Webb will face up to 18½ years in state prison, though he could have faced more had Ramos charged him with attempted murder. Legal experts agree that obtaining a conviction is far from certain, however, pointing out that Southern California juries have traditionally been reluctant to find police officers guilty of misconduct, even when their alleged crimes are taped. For example, when four LAPD officers were charged in state court for their roles in the videotaped beating of Rodney King in 1991, a jury in Simi Valley acquitted them. Two of the officers were later convicted of civil rights violations in federal court. www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-highspeed8mar08,0,7172251.story?coll=la-home-local
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Post by donna202verizonsnet on Mar 8, 2006 22:01:36 GMT -5
why was this not attempted murder. you reckless fire a weapon any where their is a law enforcement officer your charged w/attempted murder.he shot this man 3 times .far as i am concerned da only filed charges because of public opion not for welfare of the people.how many times has this happened and been covered up.
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Post by strib on Mar 8, 2006 22:11:20 GMT -5
Im a police officer and have been one for 17yrs and work in a dangerous area of town with alot of crime. Alot is expected of officers ie, making the right decisions in a spit second which could mean life or death ours or someones elses. Its hard to judge another officers actions except when its really extreme and even then can have empathy for them. In any other job if someone messes up you get demoted or transfered or docked pay, in police work you are defamed publicly,vilified and sent to prison, its not an easy job. Also speakin as an army veteran i can empathize with our young hero from iraq and what his pain and the rehabing he will have to go through. I have seen alot of officers who do well around their peers that get totally bewildered by themselves in extreme situations. I think the officer was over his head and didnt have the ability to respond to what he thought was a threat from an unarmed man. Just because he wears a badge doesnt make it right and we are all accountable for our own actions,my prayers are with both individuals in this terrible situation. The officer has to be held accountable for his actions thats a fact. The army vet shouldnt have been in a speeding car evading police as a passenger but thats no violation as a passenger, just probably bad judgement in friends but thats no crime. We will know more about all this as time goes on,im hoping it doesnt get worse...
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Post by Simon on Mar 8, 2006 22:45:17 GMT -5
Simon says get down, Simon says get up. Screw this game, Simon's going to shoot your ass now!
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Post by KC on Mar 9, 2006 0:45:52 GMT -5
Be interesting to know if Deputy Webb had any past complaints filed against him, this could help/hurt his case.
Someone mentioned that they hoped Deputy Ivory spent time in jail. Don't think it will happen! If anything maybe probation. If he does spend time in prison, he will be one of the best kept prisoners there. They will keep him out of general population, for his safety. Tell me how many other citizens would have special privileges like this? Only a cop!
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Post by KC on Mar 9, 2006 1:08:58 GMT -5
why was this not attempted murder. you reckless fire a weapon any where their is a law enforcement officer your charged w/attempted murder.he shot this man 3 times .far as i am concerned da only filed charges because of public opion not for welfare of the people.how many times has this happened and been covered up. It's not attempted murder, probably because the Deputy has immunity granted to him by the government. Probably because it was done in the commission of enforcing the "law?" That's just my guess, someone else might have a better answer? If anything maybe attempted "coerced" murder, if there is such a thing? ;D "How many times has this happened and been covered up?" Some people say it happens alot, then you have those that say it doesn't happen all that much. Then every once in awhile, we get lucky because someone grabbed a camcorder and recorded the truth! Speaking of camcorders, the guy that "filmed" the shooting, sold the tape to a T.V. station for I think I read $5000.00 and told the T.V. station to donate all the money to the wife of the shooting victim.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 9, 2006 12:30:19 GMT -5
Simon says get down, Simon says get up. Screw this game, Simon's going to shoot your ass now! I don't wanna play Simon says with any cop! Cops don't play fair!
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Post by Billy on Mar 9, 2006 17:25:18 GMT -5
'Not Guilty' Pleads California Deputy Who Shot Airman
Mar. 09, 2006-A former University of Iowa football player pleaded not guilty Wednesday morning to attempted voluntary manslaughter in connection with the shooting of an unarmed airman that was captured on videotape. Deputy Ivory James Webb requested that his bail be reduced from $100,000 to $50,000 but the judge refused, saying it was already below the normal amount. Webb is the first officer in San Bernardino, Calif.'s history to be charged as a result of an on-duty shooting. If convicted, he faces 18½ years in prison. The family of victim Elio Carrion wanted Webb to face an attempted murder charge in the case. Authorities said Carrion was the passenger in a vehicle that led Webb on a short high-speed chase. The driver of the vehicle has since publicly apologized for the chase, and has said Carrion had no role in his decision to evade arrest. Carrion was shot in the chest.
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Post by WaTcHeR on Mar 10, 2006 13:35:47 GMT -5
why was this not attempted murder. you reckless fire a weapon any where their is a law enforcement officer your charged w/attempted murder.he shot this man 3 times .far as i am concerned da only filed charges because of public opion not for welfare of the people.how many times has this happened and been covered up. 03/10/2006 - The San Bernardino, Calif., district attorney was right to charge Deputy Ivory John Webb Jr. this week for shooting an unarmed military airman in January after a brief car chase in Chino, Calif. The case provoked outrage nationwide after a neighbor caught the horrific event on videotape. In the grainy home video, we see Airman Elio Carrion lying on the ground. Deputy Webb orders him to get up, and as soon as Mr. Carrion gets up, the deputy shoots him three times. Mr. Carrion is recovering at a hospital, but it will be a long time before the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department recovers its reputation. It is disturbing that the sheriff continues to defend the deputy. The district attorney has charging Deputy Webb with attempted voluntary manslaughter, arguing that attempted murder would be too difficult to prove, since such a conviction would require the finding of malice. But the D.A. does believe the deputy tried to kill Mr. Carrion. Mr. Carrion’s attorney expressed disappointment that the charges aren’t tougher: "When Webb moved his body to get a better angle, so he could shoot at Elio’s upper body — his heart — that’s attempted murder."Justice still may be a long way off, given the reluctance of juries to convict police officers. Nevertheless, the prosecution is a good sign that, at least in especially grievous cases, some sort of checks and balances is in force. According to the Los Angeles Times, San Bernardino County deputies have been involved in 131 shootings or in-custody deaths in the past six years, yet this is the first time that the district attorney has filed charges against a police officer for an on-duty shooting.Yes, police have dangerous jobs, but they shouldn’t be given a free pass when they act mistakenly or maliciously. Had it not been for the neighbor’s videotape of the Carrion shooting, there’s every chance that there would have been no community outrage and only a pro forma investigation and, consequently, no prosecution.By the way, newspapers report that the videotaping neighbor was arrested on an outstanding warrant and extradited to Florida. Fair question: Is that an attempt to intimidate residents into not videotaping police activities? Few things are more corrosive of civil society than rogue or abusive police officers. Yet such behavior will flourish if prosecutors and juries are unwilling to punish wrongdoing. The charges filed against Deputy Webb are a healthy sign, but the public needs to demand more accountability from those who are granted police powers.
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