detaining, trespassing

[Scott w]

Distant neighbor called police for someone riding an atv in the "wash"-dry creek bed. Police followed tracks to my friends house on 3 acres. Having a B-day party. I was walking my wife and child to their car for them to go home. Car was by the parked atv which I do own. Guests had been riding it. Police walked up to me. Said complaint about riding in the wash. Said we would quit. Didn't know against the law. Then wanted to write me up a warning for riding in the wash and said he saw me. Said there was no way he could have seen me as I had truly been in the house the past 1/2 hour. Gave him my name and 1 of my addresses and my date of birth. He didn't like me disagreeing with him. I asked him to leave. He wouldn't. He ended up handcuffing me. Asked why, he wouldn't tell me. Told me he was taking me off the property at the owner's request. Not true. Property owner also asked him to leave. Had 5 cops there. In back of a hot police car for 1/2 hour. Handcuffs cutting into my wrist. Asked numerous times to loosen-wouldn't. Asked for supervisor-wouldn't. Never told me I was being arrested or detained or what for. Finally gave me a criminal ticket for "false information to a police officer" and riding in a wash. I gave the police a d.o.b of 5-1-61 vs 5-1-62. I now have to go to court. Any ideas? suggestions? I have about 10 witnesses to the fact I had not been on the atv. Any prior case law? This is Arizona.
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[streetsweeper]

You being on the atv has nothing to do with you giving police a false date of birth- which is your charge.

[scott w]

He handcuffed me long before it was realized I gave the wrong year of birth. I wouldn't think saying 1961 vs 1962 would be a criminal offense. I also have MS and told the officer so and he still put me in a hot car in Arizona summer. I was told by the internal affairs person that he knew I was lying because "I was being too nice!".

[streetsweeper]

If a police officer is conducting an active investigation, and he has reasonable suspicion that a crime has occured, the officer has the right to detain you until his investigation is complete. If he left you in a hot car with no A/C and the windows rolled up, then you may have a valid complaint. However, the detention and subsequent arrest are perfectly legal.

And yes, when you lie to the police about your DOB (even a "little") it's a against the law. Period.

Hey streetsweeper, in another post you said that we are all just "humans." Humans don't make mistakes?

[Shuftin]

In the world of baseball. The police officer squats at home plate. He is expecting an orange but you throw him an apple. Strike one: You gave him the wrong DOB. I personally have been stumbling wall to wall drunk and yet even then I knew my DOB. Police officers are not fools. Strike two: Police officers construe everything to be a lie, even if it is Gods truth. By your story only criminals are “Nice”. Innocent folk are rude and obnoxious,

[WaTcHeR]

streetsweeper said:

If a police officer is conducting an active investigation, and he has reasonable suspicion that a crime has occured, the officer has the right to detain you until his investigation is complete. If he left you in a hot car with no A/C and the windows rolled up, then you may have a valid complaint. However, the detention and subsequent arrest are perfectly legal.

And yes, when you lie to the police about your DOB (even a "little") it's a against the law. Period.

Hey streetsweeper, in another post you said that we are all just "humans." Humans don't make mistakes?

"the officer has the right to detain you until his investigation is complete."

This is true, but at no time do you have to answer any questions the cops ask you. The police officers saw no crime committed, so they relied on the guy "talking" to get any information they could.

NEVER TALK TO A POLICE OFFICER!

[scott w]

Streetsweeper must be a cop. I can be off 1 year on my d.o.b. and be a criminal. The cop can outright lie that he witnessed me on the atv and that is ok. Somethings wrong with the system. If he'll lie about that, what won't he lie about. Oh yeah, if you think I'm making this up for my benefit-forget it. The whole incident was recorded on the cops recorder. Also, the internal affairs cop said one of the symptoms of MS must be lying. And you wonder why people don't respect cops.

[KC]

scott said:

Streetsweeper must be a cop. I can be off 1 year on my d.o.b. and be a criminal. The cop can outright lie that he witnessed me on the atv and that is ok. Somethings wrong with the system. If he'll lie about that, what won't he lie about. Oh yeah, if you think I'm making this up for my benefit-forget it. The whole incident was recorded on the cops recorder. Also, the internal affairs cop said one of the symptoms of MS must be lying. And you wonder why people don't respect cops.

Cops lie all the time. This forum is beginning to show that its common practice and a pattern for cops to lie. If I recall correctly our Moderator "Watcher" can testify that cops lies. I believe he went before a grand jury, with regards to 4 or 5 police officers lying and Watcher was able to prove that the cops lied. For one person to prove that 5 cops lied, is pretty good work I think.

[streetsweeper]

Lying isn't a crime unless it's under oath. The only exception in my state is when giving a Law Enforcement officer in the official discharge of his duties your name, address, or date of birth.

However, I personally don't make a practice of lying. I can't speak for every cop out there no more than you can speak for every idiot that posts on cop-bashing forums.

[scott w]

My presumptions were correct that you are a cop. I am not cop-bashing. I'm telling the truth, The cop is the one that outright deliberately lied. I just mistaked my year of birth by 1 year. Month, day, first name, last name, middle initial was correct. One of the witnesses was a retired police officer and he was appalled at the officer's conduct.

You by your own admission, say you lie-but not all the time. Your also saying that it is perfectly ok for you/cops to lie to me unless under oath. But, if I mistate my d.o.b. by 1 year, I'm a major criminal. You don't see the hyprocisy in your statement? Instead of thinking the problem is with the public "cop-bashing", maybe you should be looking within at yourself and your peers. You want respect, then earn it. I know now that in speaking with a cop, it does me no good; but, it can harm me. I never plan on speaking to another police officer beyond my name ever again.

[streetsweeper]

scott said:

You by your own admission, say you lie-but not all the time.

I don't see where I said that. I simply said I don't make a practice of it. I don't make a practice of sticking dead rodents up my anus, either- does that mean I just don't do it often?

scott said:

Your also saying that it is perfectly ok for you/cops to lie to me unless under oath. But, if I mistate my d.o.b. by 1 year, I'm a major criminal.

First off, I never said you were anything. Second, I'm not here to hold court. You asked a question, I answered, and now your trying to get me to either find you not guilty or jump on your side. Something that, even if I did, wouldn't change the fact that you were charged and the case pending.

scott said:

You don't see the hyprocisy in your statement?

What? That cops can lie and you can't (to a certain degree)? Bud, I'm not being a hypocrite, I'm telling you like it is. Just because I'm pointing something out to you that you think is unfair doesn't have anything to do with me doing one thing and saying another. Your question was answered. If you don't have any other questions, I humbly suggest you let it go- because you are sounding rather foolish.

scott said:

You want respect, then earn it.

That, my friend, is a two-way street.

scott said:

I know now that in speaking with a cop, it does me no good; but, it can harm me.

Only if you break the law. Criminal actions or no, it was your actions that put the police in your yard. They didn't pick your house at random. Think about it.

scott said:

I never plan on speaking to another police officer beyond my name ever again.

I couldn't care less. In my neck of the woods, that only means you sit in the jail for an extra three days while we wait on the FBI to return your fingerprints- it's called an ID hold. Mean while, I go home and my paycheck is the same. Good luck

[scott w]

I don't see where I said that. I simply said I don't make a practice of it. I don't make a practice of sticking dead rodents up my anus, either- does that mean I just don't do it often?

By saying you "don't make a practice of it"(lying), means you do lie once in a while. This is black and white. You either have or have not lied to people on duty.

What you do with dead rodents on your time off is totally up to you.

First off, I never said you were anything. Second, I'm not here to hold court. You asked a question, I answered, and now your trying to get me to either find you not guilty or jump on your side. Something that, even if I did, wouldn't change the fact that you were charged and the case pending.

Your comments are transparent in that you believe that the police officer could not have and did nothing wrong and I brought this all on myself and I had to be lying. See your quote below." (to a certain degree)". Not asking you to jump on my side. Just want you to see your looking at things with blinders on and hope you can change and if not, I pity those citizens that have to deal with you.

What? That cops can lie and you can't (to a certain degree)? Bud, I'm not being a hypocrite, I'm telling you like it is. Just because I'm pointing something out to you that you think is unfair doesn't have anything to do with me doing one thing and saying another. Your question was answered. If you don't have any other questions, I humbly suggest you let it go- because you are sounding rather foolish.

If things are "like it is", maybe things need to change and sites like this can help things change. Why are you so scared to have bad cops exposed that you have to come on this site incognito and defend questionable actions by other cops? That in itself proves things need to change. Who is the foolish one?

Only if you break the law. Criminal actions or no, it was your actions that put the police in your yard. They didn't pick your house at random. Think about it.

It was not my actions that put the police in my friends yard. I just happened to be seeing my wife off with our injured child when the cop walked up to me and chose not to believe me and then deliberately lied to me that he saw me riding the atv.

I couldn't care less. In my neck of the woods, that only means you sit in the jail for an extra three days while we wait on the FBI to return your fingerprints- it's called an ID hold. Mean while, I go home and my paycheck is the same. Good luck[/quote]

Wonderful attitude. So, I follow the law and you put me in jail. I talk to you and take the chance your going to lie and try and set me up and accuse me of lying and get arrested. You are once scary person and if you are a cop, you shouldn't be. Why don't your ID yourself if nothing you have said is illegal and '"the way it is"?

[scott w]

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
I don't see where I said that. I simply said I don't make a practice of it. I don't make a practice [glow=red,2,300][/glow]of sticking dead rodents up my anus, either- does that mean I just don't do it often?[/shadow]By saying you "don't make a practice of it"(lying), means you do lie once in a while. This is black and white. You either have or have not lied to people on duty.

What you do with dead rodents on your time off is totally up to you.

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
First off, I never said you were anything. Second, I'm not here to hold court. You asked a question, I answered, and now your trying to get me to either find you not guilty or jump on your side. Something that, even if I did, wouldn't change the fact that you were charged and the case pending[/shadow].

Your comments are transparent in that you believe that the police officer could not have and did nothing wrong and I brought this all on myself and I had to be lying. See your quote below." (to a certain degree)". Not asking you to jump on my side. Just want you to see your looking at things with blinders on and hope you can change and if not, I pity those citizens that have to deal with you.

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
What? That cops can lie and you can't (to a certain degree)? Bud, I'm not being a hypocrite, I'm telling you like it is. Just because I'm pointing something out to you that you think is unfair doesn't have anything to do with me doing one thing and saying another. Your question was answered. If you don't have any other questions, I humbly suggest you let it go- because you are sounding rather foolish.[/shadow]
If things are "like it is", maybe things need to change and sites like this can help things change. Why are you so scared to have bad cops exposed that you have to come on this site incognito and defend questionable actions by other cops? That in itself proves things need to change. Who is the foolish one?

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
Only if you break the law. Criminal actions or no, it was your actions that put the police in your yard. They didn't pick your house at random. Think about it.[/shadow]It was not my actions that put the police in my friends yard. I just happened to be seeing my wife off with our injured child when the cop walked up to me and chose not to believe me and then deliberately lied to me that he saw me riding the atv.

You said:[shadow=red,left,300][/shadow]
I couldn't care less. In my neck of the woods, that only means you sit in the jail for an extra three days while we wait on the FBI to return your fingerprints- it's called an ID hold. Mean while, I go home and my paycheck is the same. Good luck[/quote]

Wonderful attitude. So, I follow the law and you put me in jail. I talk to you and take the chance your going to lie and try and set me up and accuse me of lying and get arrested. You are once scary person and if you are a cop, you shouldn't be. Why don't your ID yourself if nothing you have said is illegal and '"the way it is"?[/quote]

[streetsweeper]

scott said:

By saying you "don't make a practice of it"(lying), means you do lie once in a while. This is black and white. You either have or have not lied to people on duty.

I think it's funny. You talk about exposing bad cops, doing the right thing, blah blah blah- and here you are putting words in my mouth. If you were a cop doing this to a citizen, you'd be on this website quicker than lightening.

scott said:

Your comments are transparent in that you believe that the police officer could not have and did nothing wrong and I brought this all on myself and I had to be lying.

Yes, that's it exactly. Just because the cop isn't here to present his side of the story and I don't take everything you say at face value, then that naturally means I think the police officer did nothing wrong and you brought it all on yourself.

Apparently "innocent until proven guilty" just means you personally, right?

scott said:

Not asking you to jump on my side. Just want you to see your looking at things with blinders on and hope you can change and if not, I pity those citizens that have to deal with you.

I think you have it bass-ackwards. I'm looking at things objectively. There are two sides to every story. I only have one. If just believe what you say- take everything you say happened as the gospel- wouldn't that be looking at this with blinders on?

scott said:

If things are "like it is", maybe things need to change and sites like this can help things change.

I agree things need to change, but I think this website is pointing the guns at the wrong people. It's the guys in Washington you should be angry with- not the guys that protect your streets.

scott said:

Why are you so scared to have bad cops exposed that you have to come on this site incognito and defend questionable actions by other cops?

Where am I defending the actions of cops? If I see a complaint on these forums that looks unfounded, or if a cop is acting appropriately where someone is saying they are not acting appropriately, then I may say something. Otherwise, I acknowledge that there are cops out there that don't need to be cops. Just like there are mechanics who shouldn't be mechanics and doctors that shouldn't be doctors.

But just because I'm not going to blindly run behind the p-crime.com banner every time someone yells "Ef the po-po" doesn't mean I'm defending anyone.

The reason I am here, is to try and educate you guys- and myself- by explaining legal actions cops may make, answer any questions you may have about police procedures, and generally try and show you guys that we're not all bad guys. In fact, that vast majority of us are good, honest people. Unfortunately, the newspapers don't print articles when a cop saves a life, or takes a dirtbag off the street. They only make the news when the mess up- so naturally that's all you're going to see.

I'm "incognito" as you said because THIS IS THE EFFING INTERNET!! I'm not posting my personal information for the same reason you aren't. That's just a very foolish statement.

scott said:

Who is the foolish one?

I'm not saying you're a fool. I'm not saying I'm a fool. You said some foolish things. I've been guilty of that, too- but not on this forum (I don't think... at least, not yet.)

scott said:

It was not my actions that put the police in my friends yard.

Okay, by your own admission it was your ATV that someone was riding that attracted the attention of your neighbor. If you hadn't brought over the ATV, the cops- in all likelihood- would not have been called. So, it was your actions that got the police called over there. Now, if I had the 3rd grade mentality of some people on these forums, I'd go into a rant and call you a liar. But I don't. So I won't.

scott said:

I just happened to be seeing my wife off with our injured child when the cop walked up to me and chose not to believe me and then deliberately lied to me that he saw me riding the atv.

By your own admission you lied about your date of birth. So if I was that cop, I'd have a hard time believing you myself.

scott said:

Wonderful attitude. So, I follow the law and you put me in jail. I talk to you and take the chance your going to lie and try and set me up and accuse me of lying and get arrested.

There's no "set up" to it. When you give a police officer in my state a false date of birth, you go to jail. It's a misdemenor offense.

scott said:

You are once scary person and if you are a cop, you shouldn't be.

You don't know the first thing about me. But don't let that stop you from rushing to judgement. My department is hiring, go fill out an application. If not, then you need to stick to what you know.

scott said:

Why don't your ID yourself if nothing you have said is illegal and "the way it is"

By that statement, this implies you think something I said was illegal. If so, what do you think that may be?

As for me hiding my identity- three words: Pot, Kettle, Black.

[Scott W]

U[shadow=red,left,300][/shadow]You said:
[shadow=red,left,300]I think it's funny. You talk about exposing bad cops, doing the right thing, blah blah blah- and here you are putting words in my mouth. If you were a cop doing this to a citizen, you'd be on this website quicker than lightening. [/shadow]
I did not put words in your mouth. You just won't give a straight forward response because then you can't "wiggle" your way out of it. Thus, I have to read between the lines of what you said to find the truth. Or as President Clinton said: "Depends on the definition of "the"".

So answer this simple yes or no question. Have you ever lied to anyone in the course of your duties? Yes or No. Please don't write any thing other than yes or no.

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
Yes, that's it exactly. Just because the cop isn't here to present his side of the story and I don't take everything you say at face value, then that naturally means I think the police officer did nothing wrong and you brought it all on yourself.[/shadow]
Apparently "innocent until proven guilty" just means you personally, right?

That is objective? "I believe the cop and not the citizen". I'm the one having to prove I didn't lie. The cops not the one cited for lying. If there is a law that I can have him cited for lying to me. Please advise and I will ask him to be cited as well and then he to can prove to the courts he wasn't lying and then we both are innocent until proven guilty. Somehow you are able to look at my words and determine I am lying. Thats quite a gift. Maybe you could tell us where Jimmy Hoffas buried as well.

You said:
I[shadow=red,left,300] think you have it bass-ackwards. I'm looking at things objectively. There are two sides to every story. I only have one. If just believe what you say- take everything you say happened as the gospel- wouldn't that be looking at this with blinders on?[/shadow]

Your right, you only have one side of the story. But you keep defending the cop without investigating him and somehow still know I am wrong and lying.

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]I agree things need to change, but I think this website is pointing the guns at the wrong people. It's the guys in Washington you should be angry with- not the guys that protect your streets.[/shadow]

Don't try the song and dance to deflect this to Washington and do the old- you can't criticize cops because -"we put our lives on the line everyday and protect you from the bad criminals and keep you safe and we should be revered and paid more". If you don't like the job and don't think it pays enough-quit.

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
Where am I defending the actions of cops? If I see a complaint on these forums that looks unfounded, or if a cop is acting appropriately where someone is saying they are not acting appropriately, then I may say something. Otherwise, I acknowledge that there are cops out there that don't need to be cops. Just like there are mechanics who shouldn't be mechanics and doctors that shouldn't be doctors.[/shadow]But just because I'm not going to blindly run behind the p-crime.com banner every time someone yells "Ef the po-po" doesn't mean I'm defending anyone.

Your answers and comments from the beginning have been defending the cop. I never asked you to determine or decide if I was lying or guilty and then comment based on your view that I was lying. I asked for feedback based solely on my question posed exactly as it was. Its like taking a hypothetical situation and we know without question it transpired as stated.

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
The reason I am here, is to try and educate you guys- and myself- by explaining legal actions cops may make, answer any questions you may have about police procedures, and generally try and show you guys that we're not all bad guys. In fact, that vast majority of us are good, honest people. Unfortunately, the newspapers don't print articles when a cop saves a life, or takes a dirtbag off the street. They only make the news when the mess up- so naturally that's all you're going to see.[/shadow]

Song and dance again. "Cops keep you safe and we should be revered and never questioned".

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
I'm "incognito" as you said because THIS IS THE EFFING INTERNET!! I'm not posting my personal information for the same reason you aren't. That's just a very foolish statement.[/shadow]

I have nothing to hide buddy! My name is Scott Walker. I was handcuffed and cited criminally in Oro Valley Arizona. The complaint number is 136294 filed on 7-30-06. Its all public information as you know.

Now you don't have an excuse. So step up to the plate buddy and give me your name and police department that you work at.

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
Okay, by your own admission it was your ATV that someone was riding that attracted the attention of your neighbor. If you hadn't brought over the ATV, the cops- in all likelihood- would not have been called. So, it was your actions that got the police called over there. Now, if I had the 3rd grade mentality of some people on these forums, I'd go into a rant and call you a liar. But I don't. So I won't.[/shadow]

Based on your explanation, just by breathing we as citizens can open ourselves up to prosecution. Last time I looked, it wasn't illegal to own an atv. Gee, I should just park it in the garage and look at it so I don't get the police called on me.

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
By your own admission you lied about your date of birth. So if I was that cop, I'd have a hard time believing you myself.[/shadow]

There you go again saying I lied. You are giving me a headache. You can't even get thru 1 reply without contradicting yourself. See notes about innocent until proven guilty and not calling me a liar. I never admitted that I lied. I said I was off 1 year on my year of birth. Innocent mistake. Not lying. So if you fill out a form and put on the wrong date then you are lying? Yes or no
Before you answer, don't forget about the previous lying question.

[shadow=red,left,300]You said:
You don't know the first thing about me. But don't let that stop you from rushing to judgement. My department is hiring, go fill out an application. If not, then you need to stick to what you know.[/shadow]

Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.
[shadow=red,left,300]
You said:

scott said:

Why don't your ID yourself if nothing you have said is illegal and "the way it is"

By that statement, this implies you think something I said [/shadow]was illegal. If so, what do you think that may be?

As for me hiding my identity- three words: Pot, Kettle, Black.

[/quote]

Again, I have nothing to hide buddy! My name is Scott Walker. I was handcuffed and cited criminally in Oro Valley Arizona. The complaint number is 136294 filed on 7-30-06. Its all public information as you know.

Now you don't have an excuse. So step up to the plate buddy and give me your name and police department that you work at.

Scott Walker

[streetsweeper]

Scott said:

I did not put words in your mouth. You just won't give a straight forward response because then you can't "wiggle" your way out of it. Thus, I have to read between the lines of what you said to find the truth

Are you listening to yourself? "I'm not putting words in your mouth, you won't answer my question so I have to make up an answer based on what you're telling me." Well guess what? That's putting words in my mouth!

Scott said:

So answer this simple yes or no question. Have you ever lied to anyone in the course of your duties? Yes or No. Please don't write any thing other than yes or no.

I can answer however I choose. Just like you convienently "forgot" your own date of birth. I've had my date of birth memorized since I was 7 years old. I've misspelled my own name more often than I've "forgotten" my date of birth.

Here's my answer: I've lied while in uniform as often as you've lied to the police. That's as straightforward as it's going to get.

Now, answer my question: Would you lie to someone if it meant avoiding a fight where you or someone else might get hurt?

Scott said:

That is objective? "I believe the cop and not the citizen".

Again, show me where I said that. You can't, so that's just your interpretation of what I said, right? Well, once again, you're wrong. Don't get mad at me because you can't understand what I'm saying. No one else on this board is having trouble understanding what I'm saying. Yes, it's just you.

Scott said:

I'm the one having to prove I didn't lie.

Not here. And not to me.

Scott said:

Somehow you are able to look at my words and determine I am lying.

Only if you are lying. Don't get mad at me. You're the one that told the cop, by your own admission the wrong date of birth. Now, if you want to go to court and fight and tell the judge you didn't mean to lie, that you're just an imbecile who doesn't know his own date of birth, then by God, I think you have a good chance at beating the charge. Especially if you talk to the judge like you are talking to me.

Scott said:

Your right, you only have one side of the story. But you keep defending the cop without investigating him and somehow still know I am wrong and lying.

Where does it say that? Want me to just nod and smile and say "Yeah you're right."? Will that make you feel better?

Scott said:

Don't try the song and dance to deflect this to Washington and do the old- you can't criticize cops because
"we put our lives on the line everyday and protect you from the bad criminals and keep you safe and we should be revered and paid more". If you don't like the job and don't think it pays enough-quit.

First, off this whole putting words in my mouth thing is getting real old. You sound like you're arguing with yourself. Since you can't defeat my logic with you're inferior wit, you create your own arguement and then start from there. You show me where I said anything like what you quoted above. Show me. Or this conversation is over. I will not reply to anything else you said until you show me anything like you are quoting me above. Because if you can't, then it proves you are indeed making shit up.

As for my identity? I don't think so. Post my name and agency on a forum that doesn't nothing but hate on cops? That's like asking a black man to put his information on the KKK's website. Just not gonna happen.

By the way, I said what I said to show you how easily you could be manipulated. I easily got you to ID yourself and where you live. Once again, don't get mad at the police just because they can so easily out-smart you. Good day.

[scott w]

Your hilarious! I quote you and you respond by saying you didn't say it even though your post is right above it. Oh yeah, you outsmarted me by getting me to ID myself and now know my name and that I live in Arizona. Not. Good try at recovery. I'm sorry but I outsmarted you. I knew you wouldn't ID yourself. You talked big when you didn't think I would ID myself and indicated that you would ID yourself if I did. No cajones unless you have a badge. Based on your responses, it appears you're so used to lying that you don't know when you are lying or telling the truth. I ID'd myself to show everyone reading this dialogue your true colors. Also, you never could answer a yes or no question. Hide behind your keyboard and make excuses when you can't face the truth. If I really wanted to waste more time with you, I could ID you. The entertainment value you have provided me is no longer fun as it evident that you have surpassed your probable 1 year of community college education. You have now ran around the tree enough times that you are at the end of your leash and stuck. You displayed perfect Pavlov's dogs behavior! Thank you.

P.S. I went to pre-trial hearing today. The city ammended the complaint to "being an accomplice to someone else riding an atv in the wash". Prosecutor says that he doesn't think he can prove I was riding it even though the cop said he witnessed me personally. Interesting. Do you think maybe the prosecutor thinks the cop lied!? Judge rolled his eyes at the prosecutor and then sarcasticly asked him if I(the judge) lended his car to a friend and his friend got in an accident, would he also be arrested as an accomplice?

[streetsweeper]

I have no idea what you just said. Was that even english?

Oh, and before you start questioning my intelligence, I'd go back and look at which one of us is smart enough to effectively use quote tabs. Unless you like sounding smart by taking credit for things I've said.

[WaTcHeR]

streetsweeper said:

Lying isn't a crime unless it's under oath. The only exception in my state is when giving a Law Enforcement officer in the official discharge of his duties your name, address, or date of birth.

However, I personally don't make a practice of lying. I can't speak for every cop out there no more than you can speak for every idiot that posts on cop-bashing forums.

It's a good thing that lying or bending the truth isn't a crime on this board. I noticed that "Streetsweeper" had tried to sign up first with his O.com screen name, which is Centurion44.

Centurion44 had put his date of birth at 12/18/1974, but Streetsweeper had his date of birth at 12/20/1974. That was just a mistake I'm sure. No reason for an honest cop to lie right?

Centurion44 had tried to use a fictitious e-mail account, which he wasn't able to sign up under the name Centurion44 and he had to use a real e-mail account under the name Streetsweeper.

Side note: Not too many people have two different IP addresses either. If people use two different IP's, then they probable are using a computer at home and more than likely one at "work." Streetsweeper you're a police officer right? You don't play around at work on your computer and check out sites such as PoliceCrime.com do you? Not on tax payers time I would hope.

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watcher said:

It's a good thing that lying or bending the truth isn't a crime on this board. I noticed that "Streetsweeper" had tried to sign up first with his O.com screen name, which is Centurion44.

That's not a lie, but nice try.

watcher said:

Centurion44 had put his date of birth at 12/18/1974, but Streetsweeper had his date of birth at 12/20/1974. That was just a mistake I'm sure. No reason for an honest cop to lie right?

I don't have to tell you my date of birth. I don't put my real date of birth on any anonymus forum.

watcher said:

Centurion44 had tried to use a fictitious e-mail account, which he wasn't able to sign up under the name Centurion44 and he had to use a real e-mail account under the name Streetsweeper.

No, I tried to use my alternate e-mail account that I have since forgotten the pw for. I got an error message. So I said "Screw it" and re-did the whole thing.

What point are you trying to establish here? If you wanted to ask me who my o.com persona was, I would have told you.

watcher said:

Side note: Not too many people have two different IP addresses either. If people use two different IP's, then they probable are using a computer at home and more than likely one at "work." Streetsweeper you're a police officer right? You don't play around at work on your computer and check out sites such as PoliceCrime.com do you? Not on tax payers time I would hope.

What I do at work does not violate the law, nor does it violate policy. I also have several part time jobs. Again- what's your point here? Why don't you post your email address and IP? Since you have no problem looking at mine.